I was on the 29 last Tuesday coming from Camden to Finsbury Park, when I (without provocation) suffered a long bout of verbal abuse and threats which culminated in me being kicked, and beaten around the head as I got off the bus. I reported the incident to the police but they have just told me that they probably won't be able to get access to the CCTV because it is only kept for 7-10 days and it takes longer than that for them to get around to viewing it before it is wiped. I have provided the police with my oyster card details so that they can actually pin down which bus I was on, but apparently it still takes too long for them to get to see the recording before it is wiped.
Obviously this pisses me off a great deal, but not as much as the thought that she will probably go on to do it again to somebody else if she is not caught.
I know it's a very long shot but just wondering if anyone saw anything?
Sadly I didn't see anything and am not able to offer any help, but I must say, that is a disgusting response from the Police.
Thanks yagers, it just really annoys me that the CCTV is there to supposedly make us all feel safe, but when it comes to actually being attacked it is useless. I wonder if the perpetrators of such crimes actually know this.
@Misscara, sounds very unpleasant - sorry to hear it. If you haven't already, might it be worth you contacting the bus company yourself to ask them to keep the footage for the police?
Is this the tiny woman? Might be worth providing a description so other people using the bus can look out for her.
@ Miscara, so sorry that sounds really horrible and it's shocking that the police aren't being more helpful. The other alternative is to contact the local papers, counsellor and put some pressure on the police to get them moving, It is really unacceptable. Lynn Featherstone too. That is what I would do , I know you may not want to.
That's a disgusting response from the police. They certainly managed to secure cctv footage of some more high profile crimes on the buses so why not on this occasion? Is it because cases are prioritized? I'm not anti-police because I have found them very helpful when I have reported crimes but what you report is unpleasant to hear. perhaps the police who post on here can give an explanation?I hope you're ok and that your confidence is still in one piece.
I find @Misscara's experience all the more baffling because MPS Haringey posted this on Twitter at about 3.25pm:
I have contacted Lynn F. via her website. The woman at Islington police was most unhelpful stating that they didn't have time to sort out everything and that she needed to have days off! I will try contacting the bus company, does anyone know who they are?
In the meantime here is a description of the woman so if anyone sees her attacking someone else call the police and mention this site/my experience. Female, age late 30's - mid 40's, dark skinned (possibly mediterranean/arabic), dark hair but wearing a headscarf so couldn't tell what style/length etc, short - about 5'4-5'6, quite stout, wearing dark grey or black clothing and a dark coloured headscarf. North London accent. I seriously hope nobody encounters her because she is a nasty piece of work.
Vetski can you RT me that tweet I can't find it
I know the police are very busy and some cases take priority over others, but surely the bus companies should be keeping the CCTV longer? I know at work we keep ours for months and that's just an office where nobody gets attacked!
Wikipedia furnishes us with answers to who runs bus routes.
@Misscara, if you look at the feed for @MPSHaringey, it's their most recent tweet.
@misscara sorry to hear about your attack, hope you are okay.
If it happened in the bus itself did you contact British Transport Police? I've noticed they have just started posting on here (see bike postings). Maybe worth making them aware of what happened.
Thanks Annie, I was just a bit caught up with work this afternoon and wiki on my phone is very slow.
I fear the police who post here are likely to be noticeable by their silence on this one ... although their comment and advice would seem invaluable.
Sorry to hear that Misscara, that's horrible, as is the police response.@Ilovegreyhounds: I don't think the BTP have jurisdiction over buses, so I think the Met would be the right force to contact (which I imagine is what Misscara did).
Yes Roy, the Met deal with bus crime not the BTP.
@vetski: robbery is a crime against the person. It means theft from a person by means of force or threat of force. 'Street robbery' encompasses what is commonly referred to as mugging. So don't be too quick to dismiss the police response to that incident.
I don't think she was dismissing it Roy, just saying that someone getting physically attacked should take priority over someone having something stolen, obviously there are grey areas and sometimes both things happen at once, but not always. Anyway, thanks everyone for all the advice here.
Just shows you how rubbish the policing here is. Just like when the riots happened. They dont really care for anyone but themselves. Its not hard to get access to cctv, in the end its there to be viewed right? They waste money on stupid things like stopping people for no apparent reason ( i was stopped twice walking home from my shop in the past 3 weeks) . I was told there was gang activity in the area and on the other occasion a robbery. Police here are stupid,they arent trained good enough and they are all too scared for their lives to really help anyone.
They cant view cctv, so if the same person attacked someone else and seriously hurt them, who would be to blame? Some suited guy from metropolitan police will come on tv say sorry and how they are trying to do everything they can blah blah.its stupid.
@Misscara: my point is that street robberies usually do involve physical attacks - sometimes really quite nasty ones. In fact, I had thought that the definition of robbery was that it involved an attack, but Wikipedia just talks about the 'use of force' so now I'm not sure.
@Roy, I wasn't dismissing it - I think I was confusing it with burglary!
Have you tried contacting Boris? He is in charge of policing now after all.
Sorry to hear about this Misscara. I have had a very similar experience with the police and CCTV myself and the simple fact is that if they don't want to be bothered with it, they'll just ignore you - CCTV or not. Complain, complain, complain again, put it in writing, ask for an explanation, and make their pathetic jobsworth lives hell!
This is really bothering me now. I'm hearing a lot of stories of people who have suffered similar apathy at the hands of the police. Quite a large element of the incident was the nasty racial abuse I received from this woman while she was threatening and beating me, and given recent media coverage of such incidents I would have thought the police would be all over it.
I believe you have the right to view the footage yourself under freedom of information if you contact the bus company. If you then have evidence of this attack I'm sure the police will be much more willing to act.
Misscara, please go for this FOI idea. I'd be keenly interested in the outcome.In my case five years ago, the police declined to take action, then refused to release the CCTV tape back to me and destroyed it. It was a theft and the CCTV image clearly showed the perpetrator!
My sympathy Misscara,If any of the local police who do post on here read this: pull your finger out, step in and sort this out. Seize responsibility and then update us on what you have done. Get yourself some good PR.The police rely on law abiding everyday citizens to be their eyes and ears and every time they fail like this a little bit more of that helping hand gets lost and their job gets harder.
Gosh Misscara, that's awful, and I'm disgusted that you are making such little progress in getting this investigated. Are the police going to wait until this woman seriously injures someone before they act?
Terrible experience, my sincere sympathies. A mate of mine saw a verbal assault on a train in Charlton and 'had a go' to get them to back off and calm down. Mistake. They set on him, but fortunately they ran off at close station. No CCTV either and victim affrsid to support my friend with cops. Very depressing side of London. Makes you wonder what a 'good citizen ' can really do in this f?!!ong Big Society. Chang
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