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Probably not, which in my view is the fatal flaw in the entire plan.
And if we're voting, I'd say society sinking to the point where the authorities are sifting through people's rubbish would definitely fall on the 1984 side of a debate
No one has raised any criticism about the 'paddy' remark. I know it's not such a big deal but it is a bit insulting to many Irish people. I know Andy is not posing as Sg Steve.
However, I don't really like the 'paddy' reference. I'm nearly 40 and to me it's like the word 'nigger'. Maybe you're a bit younger. Should only be appropriated in my view by the Irish etc.
K -chav -I think you are being hypocritical because you did not complain when I called people from Brussels , "Brussel Sprouts". A case of double standards from you there Kreuz-chav methinks.You aren't standing up for Brussel Sprouts are you kreuzchav,I mean the people not the green vegetable u eat at xmas, - shows a lack of logic.
Irish people have done alot of work on English roads over the years and filled in a lot of potholes on English roads over the years and for that as an occasional motorist,I am gratefull for. I suppose that's racist is it Kreuzchav.It's not I'm saying thank you for tarmacing the roads. The Irish built half the English roads for heavens sake.
Back to the fines for recycling issue on Monday hopefully when everyone has sobered up after the weekend.
Now I know I am new but am i wrong in thinking that telling Irish jokes or jokes on skin colour or religion just the same as picking on someone just because of there class?
I come from up north, Bradford to be exact and would describe myself as working class to the core, but with a education and knowing things can be better I changed my life, but still want to be working class. Its just logical that people want to better themselves. If I was to stay static it would drive me nuts.
Oh and I read the Sun, I think you pick on thing that look like a soft target.
Class is nothing, age is nothing, sex is nothing as is colour, creed, religion etc etc.
The only thing that counts are people be they working class or not.
We are all just people doesn't wash with me.
I don't believe the hype of the Conservative's 'big society'. And New Labour were just as bad.
I agree that class is very important in England.For example you probably would not get a job in a top magic circle law firm in the city of London if you were not well spoken even if you had the right qualifications.That is pure discrimination against people with say a strong regional accent.But law firm bosses would say it's what clients want so the discrimination continues,it's not fair and England was never fair.England is like a club where they don't tell you the rules and if "you aren't one of us" you are excluded,unfair but true.
And er, back to the issue of the council fining us for not recycling.
"We are all just people doesn't wash with me"
Must imply that in your eyes all people ARE NOT equal?
People are the most inportant thing for me regardless of anything, It should not matter who or what they are, they bleed red blood, breathe air and want what's best for their children.
Class does still exist, and it should remain, this country as a whole works, god knows how at times but it does, class is as British as tea and crumpets and hating the Germans.
I am northern working class and proud of it, would not want to change that for a moment and don't care what people say about it, just dont call me a Manc.
Now back to the topic in hand, throw stuff away.
There, job done.
I take it as a given that false identies and collusion has occured in setting up the dialogue over the last day or so. I though checking online at 5 am seemed odd. My life over the last six months or so has been a bit sad but not that sad.
I still feel refering to people as 'paddys' is quite low, whatever your agenda and is really quite a hurtful remark to many Irish people.
By the way, I have an English accent and would probably come across more middle class than working class. But most people on here seem to feel, that's the way it is. Winners and losers!