For some considerable time now, this matter has been running on the local (all Lib Dem) councillors' websire and in their print publicity ... an initiative driven by local SG people and pushed at Council level by these councillors ... all in the face of what has seemed (to me at least) to have been a certain disdain for - and resistance to - local views on this matter by the Council's majority Labour group.
However, credit where it is due, if - as the post above suggests - the previously taciturn and sullen Labour group are now on board and vocal in support of this local SG initiative.
If indeed this is the case, 'Welcome to the bandwagon!'; SG-ers will expect a 'speedy' implementation.
Why don't they bring back a lolly pop person and do a bit more agressive trafic calming. For a £120k you can get 47 years worth of a lollypop based on 2hrs a day, 36 school weeks, £7 and hour no inflation included
That little zebra crossing is truly the Schleswig-Holstein question of our times.
The lollipop lady at the school just before Highbury Barn is my enemy. She holds up the traffic every morning by stopping the bus for each person that arrives (not just nippers) instead of waiting for a cluster. I apologise if anyone here is related to her but really, she is the bane of my mornings.
Miss A maybe the lollipop lady needs to read this
Schleswig-Holstein indeed. We just need to pay a gentleman with "kilt knob" to stand and expose himself to speeding cars: a good deterrent I think, though at what range it would work might be rather, um, apparatus-specific.Flashers don't need to be paid the minimum wage - as I recall they're a statutory exception. Stroud Green Primary schoolers would need to be bought special blinkers of course, though restricting childrens' horizons can only be good for them in austere times, so they could be permanently attached... thus road safety achieved and expensive aspiration crushed in one cheap move.Watch your doormats...
£120k is a tiny price to pay for saving someone's life although for £120k I would expect them to build a bridge, not just raise the road surface a bit and do some painting
Forgive me for stating the bleedin' obvious, but I'll say it again
The right-hand turn onto Florence road is rather cyclist hostile - the turn into the contraflow cycle lane is really tight (I can't be the only one who refuses to use and will use the main highway instead?).
Driving towards SGR it is quite dificult to see that there is acrossing there the no let turn sign on the blocks out the yellow light on the crossing pole completly
Agreed there is generally too much street furniture around but I don't really think that is an excuse, there is still the light on the other side of the road and the zebra road markings themselves.
Dion = seconded£120,000 for a road bump and some painting?No wonder this country is drowning in debt and that we could have bought an entire new country for what we've spent on hosting the Olympics.Also, Ali and Misscara are right, I don't think drivers deliberately try to knock people over on it - they just don't even register it or the people there, despite the crossing being your of your bog standard usually-spotted kind. It just seems to be in a location that chucks an invisibility cloak over it. Answer has to be to move it.
For the argument that drivers aren't seeing the crossing to stand up it would need all of the offending drivers to be travelling along that road for the very first time, otherwise they would know it was there, even if they can't see it.
Would a camera and associated fines not make this self finanacing ?
A camera would require constant viewing to catch the offenders. Maybe Haringey could borrow Islington's camera car that lives at the top of Evershot Road, would be more useful here...
I don't think they can't see the crossing - as you point out most must know it's there as they drive it all the time.I do think, however, there is something about that location that draws eyes elsewhere and means drivers just don't register people waiting to cross.What might work is a reminder sign that flashes up as you approach, like the slow down ones that have been proven to be very successful.(No more cameras please, or use of that little car with the lazy oafs sat in there with the engine constantly running.)
I regularly drive along UTR and in almost 13 years have never witnessed an accident or other drivers speeding willy-nilly over the crossing (more than a few cyclists, though), so I'm finding all this kerfuffle a bit bemusing. But if something more is needed, a slow-down sign/kids crossing sign like the ones near Rokesly School in N8 would seem to be a sensible option. The kind of drivers who do speed over crossings don't care enough about their suspension to be significantly slowed down by a speed bump!
According to Which...
Two thirds of road accidents occur within five miles of a motorist’s home, a new poll has revealed. 'Our research suggests that many drivers appear to be in a comfort zone when driving close to home on familiar roads, hence why such a large proportion of accidents occur there.
'It's so important to keep a full level of concentration when driving, whether you're just popping to the shops or starting or ending a longer journey. These results emphasise this even more.'
Papa L, Ali and Misscara are right. People don't pay attention to things they see every day.
But but but that's because most driving happens within five miles of your home.
@vetski - I drive over it and use it to cross - it is not an easy one to spot if you are a driver because of the way the road curves into it from both sides. A bump would definitely help as most people do slow down at least a bit for bumps. As a pedestrian, it is a nightmare. Next time you are feeling a bit flat and uninterested in life, try crossing it and trying not to get kerfuffled.
For further reading for the nearlydyingofboredom amongst you, I recommend this thread
@dion, I do cross it on foot from time to time, and again, can't recall any issues with drivers trying to kill me!
It's worse at rush hour. I've had a few close shaves, and I've noticed other people nearly being run down.
my home office window looks out at the crossing and I hear severe screech of wheels at least once every 2 days, sometimes more often (generally when it's hot and sunny or dark and raining). There may not be many actual accidents but there are many, many close shaves and i think it is just luck that no-ones been seriously injured or worse yet. Moving it would make matters worse - the pedestrian rat run down to the station and the morning/afternoon run to the school make it the most obvious place for it to be and if there was no crossing here, people would continue to cross here at greater risk.A raised crossing and clearer marking is a very good thing in my book.
How about a big CCTV camera at motorists eye level as a deterrent to anti-social motoring. Do motorists notice cameras?
As an example I was cycling up UTP on my way home from work last night, I noticed a pedestrian about to cross so slowed to stop and a van behind me pulled out and overtook and went flying over the crossing as the guy had stepped on.
Can anyone who went to the meeting update us on what was discussed/agreed last night?
A bloke in a van using his mobile just straight across as I was about to step out onto the crossing with the kids this morning on the way to school
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