Do you know where you live? Stroud Green? Crouch End? Hornsey?

omotn · May 2015

<p style="margin: 0px 0px 0.75em; padding: 0px; line-height: 15.8836498260498px; font-size: 12.2181921005249px; min-height: 1em; color: rgb(79, 88, 85); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', sans-serif; position: static !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Please do tell. Where exactly are the borders of Crouch End? You know whether or not you live there, so please could you answer <span style="color: rgb(37, 141, 173); font-size: 1em;"><a href="http://crouchendforum.polldaddy.com/s/do-you-live-in-crouch-end">two simple questions in this survey</a></span>. This will enable CENF to draw a boundary between postcodes that are in Crouch End and those that are not. Answers from people who are sure they don't live in Crouch End are especially helpful.</p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 0.75em; padding: 0px; line-height: 15.8836498260498px; font-size: 12.2181921005249px; min-height: 1em; color: rgb(79, 88, 85); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', sans-serif; position: static !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;"><strong style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">Crouch End Neighbourhood Forum (CENF)</strong></span><br style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">The Crouch End Neighbourhood Forum is a newly formed body concentrating on the Crouch End part of N8. It is part of the localism movement and wants to add the fine detail to planning regulations that will preserve and enhance Crouch End's essential character.<br style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">You can read more about the aims of the <span style="color: rgb(37, 141, 173); font-size: 1em;"><a href="https://crouchendforum.wordpress.com/">Forum on its own website</a></span>. <br style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">In order to preserve the essence of Crouch End, and to speak with an informed voice, <span style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">the Forum needs to understand what you believe is the essence of Crouch End, whether you live here or not. Please can you answer some questions to help out with this.</span></p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 0.75em; padding: 0px; line-height: 15.8836498260498px; font-size: 12.2181921005249px; min-height: 1em; color: rgb(79, 88, 85); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', sans-serif; position: static !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">Firstly answer <span style="color: rgb(37, 141, 173); font-size: 1em;"><a href="http://crouchendforum.polldaddy.com/s/do-you-live-in-crouch-end">the postcode question</a></span>.</p><p style="margin: 0px 0px 0.75em; padding: 0px; line-height: 15.8836498260498px; font-size: 12.2181921005249px; min-height: 1em; color: rgb(79, 88, 85); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', 'Lucida Sans Unicode', sans-serif; position: static !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Secondly, tell us <span style="color: rgb(37, 141, 173); font-size: 1em;"><a href="http://crouchendforum.polldaddy.com/s/cenf-initial-questionnaire">what defines Crouch End for you</a></span> - a slightly longer set of questions, but very helpful to provide the definition we need.<br style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">Thirdly - sign up for the newsletter - go to the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://ning.us2.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=a5ef319b652a8c583bf8c7029&id=6ce32de1d0&e=5decce4756" target="_blank" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(37, 141, 173); font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">https://crouchendforum.wordpress.com/</a> website and click on the "Follow" button<br style="font-size: 1em; position: static !important;">If you have questions about what the Forum is there are chances in the real world to meet the founding members of the forum, and quiz them about their goals as well as offering your views. 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Arkady · May 2015

Can all the Mount View Road people make sure they point out that it's Stroud Green not Crouch End? It's the wrong side it's the hill for CE, and in the SG conservation area and residents association.

Duncan · May 2015

Though you are right, Arkady, people who live close to borders should be able to count in both areas, otherwise they are discriminated against by losing access to local services and involvement in local decision making. I mean why should I get more of a say in what happens in Tottenham than what happens in the Islington bit of the parkland walk fifty yards from my house?<br><br>By which logic since everyone in Stroud Green lives on the border, we are all entitled entitled to be in Stroud Green & Crouch End, (and Finsbury Park), Haringey & Islington (and Hackney). Zone 2 & 3, Inner & Outer London, England & Scotland, Europe & America etc. etc. whenever it suits us best.<br>

omotn · October 2015

The Application for the <a href="https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1489021628091933&id=1438992303094866">definition of Crouch End</a> has now been submitted . Some of Mount View Road is included in Crouch End. But, we are at pains to point out, the definition is required by law. <a href="https://crouchendforum.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/proposed-crouch-end-neighbourhood-area-map-sep15.pdf">It is a line on a map</a>, not a 6 foot razor wire fence. If your home falls within the Crouch End boundary there is no reason why you should not comment on Stroud Green matters, nor versy vicer.<div><img src="https://crouchendforum.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/proposed-crouch-end-neighbourhood-area-map-sep15.pdf"><br></div>

gardener-joe · October 2015

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Papa · October 2015

The political boundary of Stroud Green Ward misses out a lot of Stroud Green due to the Islington / Haringey border (see previous arguments). <div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zxnczTdR66Lk.kLusDWL4vXoA&hl=en">Here's the Haringey Council ward map</a><br><div><br></div><div>Arguably, from the point of view of how people live, it would be a better idea to put the bit of Stroud Green Ward that goes down to Crouch End from Mountview Road into Hornsey Ward.</div><div> </div><div>Stroud Green Ward should be extended across Stroud Green Road into Islington and over to the Hornsey Road.</div></div>

miss annie · October 2015

I live in Tollington Ward. spend the vast proportion of most days in the Borough of Westminster and my leisure time in Stroud Green. Boundaries mean nowt to me.

graeme · October 2015

Is this just a land grab by snobs who want to live in 'Crouch End' with the actors and high house prices, but shit public transport? Maybe keeping hold of the Town Hall should take priority over this weedy 'hmm let's invent an issue, then put ourselves in charge of fixing it' bs.

dorothy · October 2015

Required by what law?

Arkady · October 2015

@dorothy The Localism Act 2011<div><br></div><div>@graeme - to be fair to them, the sort of problems that a Neighbourhood Forum/Plan can tackle are precisely the sort that we spend so much time talking about on this forum. What's the right mix of shops for an area? If a site is to be redeveloped, what should the priorities be when considering appropriate scale, form and content? How do we better co-ordinate across borough boundaries? What sort of institutions are best to co-ordinate between Councillors, council planners and local neighbourhood groups? And so on. 'Keeping hold of the town hall' would be one of those problems.</div>

dorothy · October 2015

I guess it's well done to them for getting on with it. The boundaries can't be over-lapping though, so they can say where they'd like the lines to be drawn but neighbouring areas may have other ideas. Surely it would matter which area you were in, if it came to voting in a local referendum.<div><br></div><div>It's such a massive remit of things to do for what will end up being a bi-monthly meeting and possibly some sub-groups. When I've been involved in these things in the past, I found that Council officers love them, because they can go along with their latest strategy paper, present it, get some irksome questions, but then go back and tick one of their 'did consultation' boxes. Councillors love them because they can get face to face with lots of local people in a community setting to present both themselves and their views, particularly around hot topics. The meetings get jammed up with very turgid detail. </div><div> </div><div>I'd rather the existing structures were far more flexible and transparent, than having an additional bit of bureaucracy. </div><div><br></div><div>Anyway I wish them luck with it. Lots of work to make effective.</div><div><br></div>

Arkady · October 2015

Yep, the Localism Act is a recipe for clashes when it comes to defining areas that don't have parishes (i.e. most everywhere in London). Some of the ideas I've heard coming from those talking about establishing a Finsbury Park Neighbourhood Forum are alarming - the minimal solutions seem to want to carve Stroud Green up, the maximal solutions want to include areas like Green Lanes - wait until the HarringayOnline people hear about that.<br><br>My understanding is that the London Boroughs are actually a bit alarmed about Neighbourhood Forums. The old Area Forums were utterly useless - as you say they were just opportunities for councillors to *look* like they were engaging without actually doing so. The Neighbourhood Forums, on the other hand, have teeth - a citizen-led neighbourhood plan legitimated by a referendum that the Council actually has to pay attention to and enforce. It has the potential to massively revitalise the planning process. But like you say, it's a lot of work, and needs more time and effort than most people can muster, even when they care.

matt · October 2015

I've no real opinion on the borders shown in the map, but I'm intrigued why only that specific section of Mount View Road is included?

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