What's happening on Almington St?

conformable_kate · January 2016

Anyone know? Just drove past, police cars and road taped off ...

Skivvy · January 2016

Yes. A girl was stabbed on the road around 3-4pm. She was riding her bike and two young men were chasing her. The police closed off the road. Lots of neighbours on the street came out to aid. <div><br></div>

Skivvy · January 2016

The girl was taken in ambulance. Not fatal.

fabruce · January 2016

oh my god, this is really awful.<div><br></div><div>It's good that people went to aid straight away and that the stabbing is not fatal, but what is wrong with these people? :-(</div>

NorthNineteen · January 2016

Where on Almington St?<br><br>Poor girl.<br>

poxy · January 2016

Just received this email... Dear Ward Member On Sunday 17th January 2016 at around 3.55pm a female victim left her home on her son’s bike. As she was riding along Corbyn Street, N19 riding to the post office on Hornsey Rd she saw two males in Corbyn street on either side of the road. On her return whilst cycling on Corbyn Street she saw one of the suspects in a grey tracksuit on the junction of Almington Street and Corbyn St, South side. As she rode past the suspect ran out into the middle of the road and shouted, “Give me your bike.” resulting in kicking her off the bike knocking her to the ground. Fortunately she was able to stop them from taking cycle where it was retrieved sometime later. The suspects eventually ran off in different directions along Almington Road, N19 before police arrival. The female victim realised after that she had been stabbed several times. Subsequently the female received medical treatment from the London Ambulance Service. The males suspect are described as tanned appearance ,18 - 23 years old, 5ft 7inches, Slim build, Black hair grown in crew cut, wearing Jeans, Black coat - bomber style, trainers, Local accent, pulled knife out of waistband with left hand. The second male is described as white appearance , less than 23 years old, 5ft 7inches, Medium build, Grey hooded tracksuit top and bottoms with hood up, trainers, he had her blood on the back of his tracksuit when he made off. Police will continue to carry out engagement patrols in the area, continuing to make the area safe. If you have any information regarding this incident please do not hesitate in contact Islington police or myself Darren.lavin@met.pnn.police.uk Regards Darren Lavin Darren Lavin APS670NI North Cluster Neighbourhood Policing Team Holloway Police station 284 Hornsey Road Holloway N7 7QY

krappyrubsnif · January 2016

Thanks Holloway Police, please keep us informed.

NorthNineteen · January 2016

As fabruce said, what is wrong with these people. Stabbing someone for a bike :-( Do they not realise the massive difference between robbery/assault and attempted murder/murder!??<br>

TheMimsy · January 2016

Hope they catch them!

miss annie · January 2016

<p>Roll out the excuses about them being disenfranchised/bored/life has treated them unfairly but in reality they are just horrible little scroats who want what someone else has got without the effort of working for it.</p><p>They need locking up.</p>

kreuzkav · January 2016

@ miss annie. I can't remember ever seeing anyone on SG.org spouting the anti-thesis of Daily Mail rhethoric that you seem to feel will be exlaimed. You seem to be a bit paranoid of it. Most people on here are busy spending their money on the local eateries and boozers. A few of us on here are socialists but we don't condone people stealing, especially bikes as they are the people's carriage. Please keep calm and stop being so Daily Mail.

checkski · January 2016

A little incoherent and drink-driven, Kreuzkav, but perhaps justified, as a response to 'horrible little scroats'. That is the easiest response in the world, the hating one, and we are all, including the 3 SG.org socialists, tempted to join in at times. The problem is, it gets us precisely nowhere. Locking up vile behaviour only leads to more vile behaviour. When these two ARE locked up, as I assume they will be, I trust they will receive education and some sort of therapy - it might help. If they don't, they will certainly be back, and next time it WILL be murder. The Daily Mail approach is satisfying but useless. <div><br></div><div>PS. The bike, as the people's carriage: nicely put.</div>

miss annie · January 2016

I don't read the Daily Mail, sorry to disappoint. I'm sure it's easier to lump anyone that has views that are different from yours into that box. I do ride a bike though, does that make me a socialist? My thoughts on the matter come not from a newspaper but from being utterly enraged that excuses are constantly made for people who are just nasty. It's not a problem unique to our times, or our society, there have always been theives and murderers, it's just that now it's not a big deal to carry a knife and use it. Soon it won't be a big deal to carry a gun. I'm sure they will get all the help and luxuries afforded by prison. I'm sure it will change them into decent human beings who will go on to lead a life that will be a shining example to us all. What do you all think is wrong with these people? No daddy to tell them off? A bit bored? No job? Nowhere to play? Low wages so they can't afford all the shiny toys everyone else has? These things happen to vast amounts of people (myself included when younger). It is no excuse. People need to accept that some people are just vile human beings. What does everyone else actually think is wrong with this generation of young men? Why do they think it's ok to stab people? No one managed to answer that on the stabbing thread a couple of weeks ago. Antithesis means opposite by the way K, the word you were scrabbling for is epitome.

Papa · January 2016

Those who carry a knife and stab someone should be very severely treated by the law. I actually think this is one place where harsh punishment would serve as a deterrent. <div><br><div>I totally get the 'I have to carry a knife as protection' paranoia and have had it explained to me many times.</div><div>However, the deal should be that if you carry a knife and use it anger on someone and injure them you get charged with manslaughter and if you kill them you get done for murder.</div><div><br></div><div>There are too many instances of kids carrying knives, using them and ending up killing people. If they saw their peers who'd done this locked up for a murder term, I think that it might make them think a bit harder about it.</div></div><div><br></div><div>By all means when they are in jail, educate the hell out of them, but make sure they get locked up for a long time.</div><div><br></div><div>That probably sounds far too draconian for many on here, but the deal should be you knife someone you get in a whole world of shit. </div>

miss annie · January 2016

<p>Yes! </p><p>'I have to carry a gun as protection' is a mad (to our ears) view but it's legal in the U.S. Carrying a knife is still illegal here. I disagree on the kind of sentencing as I believe that anyone carrying a knife is intentionally carrying a potential murder weapon. Agree with the rest.</p>

TheMimsy · January 2016

From the police email, it looks like these guys are adults and no kids, when they catch them they will be sentenced accordingly...

Papa · January 2016

When I say kids, I'm really referring to people from teens into mid-20s. I'm just being old.

TheMimsy · January 2016

Adult sentencing is different than juvenile, if they are indeed adults they will get a harsher sentence.

therattle · January 2016

Papa L, manslaughter is when you kill somebody without intending to (as opposed to murder, which is intentional killing). I do agree that if one knifes somebody and they die, the charge is murder, although I suspect it usually is. I would support harsh sentences for those found carrying knives, even if they haven't been used. <br><br>I haven't seen anybody in this thread defending or excusing or justifying the actions of those men, so I am not sure what miss annie was responding to - perhaps a pre-emptive strike against any possible claims?<br>

miss annie · January 2016

<p>I was asking what would you do about it, and why do you think it happens on this thread about another stabbing a few weeks ago. No one answered so I have asked again. No point in hand wringing and saying how awful it all is without offering any ideas on how to change things.</p><p><a href="http://www.stroudgreen.org/discussion/comment/80038/#Comment_80038">http://www.stroudgreen.org/discussion/comment/80038/#Comment_80038</a></p><p>No one seemed to be interested in discussing why it happens or ideas about how to stop it.</p><p>The collective opinion seemed to be that stop and search is a very bad idea as people get upset about it. Personally I get more upset that there are people walking the streets I live in with knives, clearly prepared to try to kill people with them, than I do about offending the delicate sensibilities of Guardian readers.</p>

Papa · January 2016

Therattle, I stand corrected - wasn't thinking quite straight on that one. Attempted murder then.<div><br></div><div>I've seen quite a few cases, where someone knifes someone and they die and it is charged as manslaughter - because they didn't stab to kill.</div>

Sutent · January 2016

Knife crime is currently rising again in London. This correlates with austerity and police funding cuts but not sure if they are linked. What is clear is current methods of punishment are not working as there is such a high (>60%) re offending rate on release from prison. This has to be looked at with intelligence and evidence rather than clouded by political views. It is also clear the current UK drug policy is failing, and successive governments have failed to use the scientific and social evidence to update this but pander to the right wing conservative population. I suspect there is also a link between the UK drug policy and knife crime too

verga · January 2016

I think locally we should be allowed to express shock and sympathy without having to answer questions to change things

miss annie · January 2016

<p>So it is the government and police's fault that people are murdering people in the street? There is such resistance to stop and search that I don't understand how more police will help if they can't use this as a deterrent.</p><p>They aren't allow access to cannabis so they need to carry knives to stab people in the street? Access to cannabis is legal in many US states, doesn't alter their murder rates at all.</p><p>What do you suggest the punishment should be if current methods aren't working? </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>

verga · January 2016

<span style="color: rgb(85, 85, 85); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><b>So it is the government and police's fault that people are murdering people in the street? </b></span><div><span style="color: rgb(85, 85, 85); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><b><br></b></span></div><div><span style="color: rgb(85, 85, 85); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Surely it is solely the people doing the stabbing who are culpable for the stabbing</span></div>

fabruce · January 2016

Just to add some data to this discussion : <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/21/england-wales-homicides-rise-knife-gun-crime">Rise in crime</a><div><br></div><div>Cuts to the police have been really high, so it's not too difficult to see a direct relation between rise and cuts, but i guess it's not entirely as simple as that.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>

Arkady · January 2016

I understand that both crime and police budgets have been in decline across the West for decades. Inner-city gang crime has generally bucked that trend. It is solidly linked to the drug trade. It's not hard to understand the appeal of easy money and peer-respect to poorly-socialised kids with few prospects. It's a problem that won't go away while we continue with our insane drugs laws.

verga · January 2016

Looking at the graphs, it is an astonishing decline in murders over the ten years<div><br></div><div>Presumably this includes domestic murder i.e. people living together - if we adjust for that do we know what has happened to the statistics for 'street' or random murders in that time?</div>

checkski · February 2016

Well, well. David Cameron and Ken Clarke (on Radio 4 just now) are saying much the same as me and others on this thread. Miss Annie must be gnashing her teeth with anger. It took me aback as well: I don't often get Tories lining up to agree with me. Only trouble is, they have no intention of putting their money where their big mouths are, so - no change whatsoever in prospect. More's the pity. Only counselling and education stand a chance of reducing levels of crime, which is what we all want. Revenge-based policies don't work, however satisfying they may be.

Sutent · February 2016

@Chekski am sure you don't believe the Tory rhetoric. Jeremy Hunt is trying to screw us Doctors over with his ridiculous contract. Thankfully we have a strong union (BMA) and have another strike planned this week

checkski · February 2016

Of course I don't believe their rhetoric, Sutent! but the form it took surprised me, as they usually take Miss Annie's line. As for you lot, the best of luck to you all. It's appalling how badly treated you have been, and will be, if you don't manage to get Hunt to back off. <div><br></div><div>PS. Isn't it time for another game of chess?</div>

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