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It does feel like a money grab for want of a better phrase from the council and the organisers, none of which are teenagers. All power to the kids, I spent many an evening in dimly lit fields but hopefully in the future, the council could either a) visibly spend the money that they are earning and as one other commentator said, make finsbury park competitive against the other parks in London or b) consider the locals a hare more - maybe shifting it to once every two years?
I wonder if I am getting older or becoming a conspiracy theorist sometimes when I think about how we are treated by authorities but I think it is much worse nowadays, it seems they can justify taking the piss by telling you they are going to do it in advance via pretend consultations... ho hum.
If you want it to become a better park, it will need more events.
17? Well indeed, I must have been 17 for a year once. Can't argue with the logic that anyone over 17 must have been 17 at some point. So 17 is some sort of magical age that entitles you to be a public nuisance? Why not take it to it's logical conclusion and make 17-year-olds (I really don't know why 17 was the illustration chosen in the post above) immune to prosecution! Perhaps it's an argument for bringing back National Service to protect the public! As soon as they're out of school, stick 'em in the Army (It'll make a man/woman out of them) with the option of community service: have them digging ditches, building roads, and... improving parks!
Rules and regulations: Just like so many laws, we need them because of some people's lack of common sense, decency, consideration for others, etc, etc...
Central London??? This is Finsbury PARK, it's not even Finsbury!
Liverpool isn't far from Manchester. That doesn't make Liverpool Manchester, though.
I'm a regular festival goer. I'm not convinced that cities are the best place for them though, given the disproportionate impact on residents. That said I openly admit to being heavily biased in favour of greenfield festivals.
Plus it's a legal requirement.
You're right everyone else is wrong.
https://www.london.gov.uk/file/3971128
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jul/05/revealed-how-london-parks-are-partly-privatised-festivals-wireless-finsbury-park
It's an interesting read and I'm not so sure where this money that's claimed has been spent on the park is going, because it doesn't seem to to be improving to me
Complete with a classic Grauniad hand-wringing line.
'Some commenters argue that there is a progressive case to be made for festivals in parks beyond raising revenues, such as disrupting staid Victorian identities and encouraging people of all ages, classes and races to use them. '
Yes, because that's what I always think when I go to a London park in summer, this is so staid and Victorian.
I love the park and I love stroud green, I love that we have a huge swathe of land to take our children to, exercise in and generally enjoy in a city that has a minute amount of green space - but go there today and walk through the albert road gate- its not pleasant, at least not for me to see 20 ft metal walls, dead grass and still visible rubbish from the festival.
I get the feeling people assume that if it makes millions of pounds it should look like alton towers. And they're just mentally scaling up what they spend on thier garden. And making a poorly judged estimate.
It might be a good idea to do a FoI request and ask for a breakdown of park spending.
The most interesting thing for me was to hear the idea floated that, in fact, the council doesn't actually make much money from the event, but that the real reason is so that Haringey can promote itself as a holder of 'World Class Events' - in other words, bigging itself up to the world. If that is the case, though, what it has actually achieved is the opposite - to put Finsbury Park firmly on the map as the place where drug dealing, lawlessness, violence and crime are expected, even tolerated. So now Finsbury Park has a reputation. Judging from the recent spate of drugs, knife crime and now firearms in this area, I would suggest they have succeeded very well.
And yes, I've been 17 once. I believe along with anyone in the world who's now over 17yo. Yes I've been to festivals before. Yes I had fun before (believe it or not)! But I've never got drunk to the point of shitting myself in front of someone else's front door or brawl with fellow concertgoers or guards. Astounding, isn't it? These rich people surely know their stuff.
I'd urge some of the most indomitable defenders of Festivals here to actually get up and spend some time in one of roads close to the Park during any of these Festival. Maybe for a few years in a row. Then come back here and leave a comment.
And since that we're on the topic of "they raising money for the park" I'd LOVE to see where exactly, since that in my 4 years of residency here I can see very little improvement. What I know is that the area/park has a name for drug dealing and now apparently shootings. If this is the results of how well spent are the money coming from these festivals, well......
And with cmo: it's pretty horrible now, and has been for a few weeks, and will be for weeks to come as it struggles to recover.
I also agree about that wanky Guardian line! I noted it with a sigh when I first read the article.
I'm not happy about that. And I don't think it's how things should be. But, that is how it is. And until we have a council that fixes that I want to see that the events happen and the park thrives.
Haringey do have a costing sheet. I think it's something like half a million for a 2 day festival with a few days set up and take down. Wireless is bigger than that.
So maybe something like 1.2 million a year for FP only ?
1.3m. I wasn't far off!
It is parlance that means "it's a bit strong", in the context that I used it anyway, and calling people zoo animals is a bit strong no...?
I am glad you have never shat yourself or brawled in the street, that's an aperitif for some of the people I know.
Anyway, I'm offski now to polish my throne and look at my property value on Zoopla, have a wonderful day