Well, that pretty much says it all.

The mother: "Zeynep wasn't screaming and wasn't crying. She was just making baby noises because she was waiting for her food."

The manager: "...said he had been left with no choice - because the baby had been screaming." & "...customers are asking to move because they can't take the noise and saying they won't pay if we don't do something"

Whom do you believe? What are the chances that the child wasn't screaming and the manager made it up?

Either the mother is delusional and can't recognise her own child screaming, or she's lying about it to get a sob story in the paper. either way, it's very inconsiderate of everyone else in the restaurant.

Bravo, Marco! (and I don't even like Pappagone)

But Pappagone is full of screaming kids. It's the whole point.

So, I return to my point - how bad must she have been?

Zeynep ... what a great name.

*edit. tasteless joke*

We've been to PPG before and asked to move because of screeching children. We had hangovers and knew Marco wouldn't be pissy about it. Customers have just as much right not to sit next to screaming kids as parents have to bring their kids to restaurants, don't they. It's very very brave to ask *anyone* to leave a restaurant, and as others have said, knowing how noisy and kid-friendly PPG is anyway, it seems impossible that they'd have asked this family to leave without good cause.

I'm pretty sure I was in there on the earlier occasion when the baby was crying and it was loud even among the Pappagone noise. The staff in there are lovely and I'm sure they wouldn't ask anyone to leave without good cause.

I've never, ever had a dinner in peace at Pizza P, that's what Venezia is for.

Just so long as its not kids in restaurants we're complaining about here. While I try very hard to keep my kids happy & well-behaved when we're out (by eating early, only staying for one course, taking along toys, books etc), inevitably there are times when they get a bit lively, and thank god for that - at least it shows they have spirit. Far better than placid, shy kids that get chastised by their parents every single time they put a foot out of place.

I think PP should do what Pick More Daisies do - seat families with kids out the back.

No one says that kids should be seen and not heard. But you have to draw a line somewhere.

I've seen a small child walk over to a strangers' table and try to take food off their plates. The parents laughed. Is there anyone here who thinks that's good parenting or wants these people sitting next to them, even in a child-friendly restaurant?

I saw a little girl on the tube climbing on a man she did not know. If it were the man who initiated the interaction, he would be labeled a paedophile. The mother thought it was cute.

I used to work in a members club back in the day when smoking was still allowed. A couple came in with a baby. They sat down and the woman walked over to the adjacent tables asking them to extinguish their cigarettes for the sake of her child. One of the men told her to piss off. I don't smoke, and I don't allow smoking in our flat, but that man is my hero.

Katiejane, if you kids are reasonably well-behaved, by all means take them to restaurants. But if one of them sticks his little hands in my plate, or screams for 40 minutes non-stop, I will not hesitate to ask the manager to throw him out.

I yearn for Huxley's vision of decanting our babies as socialised human beings, though I suspect he didn't mean for me to perceive it as a good idea.