Pedestrians Safety On Crouch Hill

chrisn4

<P>Perhaps people could write to Leader of Haringey Council,Ms Claire Kober, at the Email address below?</P> <P><A href="mailto:claire.kober@hai">claire.kober@ha</A>ringey.gov.uk</P> <P>I believe that pedestrians safety is at risk on Crouch Hill.This is at the stretch of Crouch Hill between the junction of Haringey Park; and the junction with The Broadway.</P> <P>This stretch of pavement outside The Haringay Arms pub,outside the church (which is a recording studio) and outside the  vinyl record shop.This strip of road has very narrow pavements;putting pedestrians at risk of getting run over when they step out into the road to avoid other pedestrians.</P> <P>I believe that metal railings,like those outside schools to stop kids running into the road,should be installed on this strip of road.On both sides of the road.</P> <P>People listen to their ipod then they can't hear the bus behind them,they could step out into the road,with the church on their left,on their approach to Crouch End broadway;and get run over.A metal railings barrier would stop them straying into the road.Buses pass very close to pedestrians on pavement in this strech of Crouch Hill.</P> <P>    </P>

marko

Of course, the received wisdom these days is to remove unnecessary street furniture  - which in itself consumes pavement space.  <div><br></div><div>I suggest that anybody who walks out into the road without looking whilst using an iPod deserves whatever they get.   Local government is already spending far too money trying to nanny its population. </div>

miss annie

I'd tend to agree. I would like big flashing signs with messages like 'please use your common sense when using narrow pavement' and 'please remove your headphones before stepping into the road' . Have there actually been any accidents involving pedestrians and buses on that pavement?

poxy

Putting railings on that stretch of road/pavement is a ridiculous idea. What happens when two double-wide kiddie chariots meet in the middle?

gardener-joe

the most absurd idea I have ever read on this board ... and there have been a few

chrisn4

<P>Haringey Council should also install speed humps (traffic cushions) on this stretch of Crouch Hill.</P>

gardener-joe

ChrisN4: Despite my scepticism I do admire your enthusiasm for finding a solution to the problem you feel exists. However, I think this board is not the place to get the message to your key demographic. Here the focus is Stroud Green, but your campaign's geographical focus is Crouch End (CE). Respectfully, I think you should focus your energy on getting your message to folks in CE if you are serious about getting a result. Any support here will likely be quite peripheral.

chrisn4

<P>Please can any Haringey Council councillors place a comment on this thread; to say if you will take up ideas as to how to improve safety on this strech of Crouch Hill with Leader of Haringey Council,Ms Claire Kober?Thank you very much.</P>

gardener-joe

zzzzzzzz.....

chrisn4

<P>Please can Ms Lynne Featherstone MP,comment on this thread?</P> <P> I notice that Ms Featherstone has commented on previous threads on sg.org.</P> <P>Or perhaps people could write to Ms Featherstone regarding this thread?</P> <P>Thank you very much. </P>

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chrisn4

<P>If you would like to write to Haringey Council's, Crouch End councillors, about this thread.Here are their email addresses.</P> <P><A href="mailto:paul.strang@haringey.gov.uk">paul.strang@haringey.gov.uk</A></P> <P><A href="mailto:lyn.weber@haringey.gov.uk">lyn.weber@haringey.gov.uk</A></P> <P><A href="mailto:david.winskill@haringey.gov.uk">david.winskill@haringey.gov.uk</A></P> <P>misscara - will do.</P> <P>  </P>

chode

It might be an idea if this section of road was made into a single lane with wider pavements, particularly on the Haringey Arms side, with a traffic light stopping traffic outside the cycle shop, before the turn into Haringey Park. <br><br>The traffic then take turns using it in each direction, and cyclist & pedestrians would have more space,<br>

chrisn4

<P>below info from haringey council: at end it says  "I would recommend you register your concerns via the Area Plan." </P> <DIV id=yui_3_2_0_1_13307783288372221><FONT id=yui_3_2_0_1_13307783288372220 face="times new roman">A recent resident lead initiative<A rel=nofollow></A> was a living streets audit of part of Crouch End.  The area surveyed was a circuit of the Broadway.  During the audit the pros and cons of railings were discussed<A rel=nofollow></A> and different people had different<A rel=nofollow></A> views.  There was also mention that in other areas (boroughs) there is a more holistic<A rel=nofollow></A> approach with the objective of traffic calming and improving pedestrianisation<A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A><A rel=nofollow></A> by removing railings. There was also discussion<A rel=nofollow></A> of where and why accidents had occurred<A rel=nofollow></A> and that in some instances railings are probably best retained. </FONT> But railings also reduce the width of pavements, thus restricting passing as the railings are always set someway from the kerb.  There are also incidents where cyclists get crushed against railings. </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="times new roman"></FONT><FONT face="times new roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="times new roman">My own view is that traffic going through Town Centres<A rel=nofollow></A> and residential side roads need to be careful and I advocate<A rel=nofollow></A> a 20 mph limit.  In fact I have campaigned on this and will continue to campaign for safer roads.  I presented a case at Full Council which subsequently<A rel=nofollow></A> resulted in a 20 mph scrutiny review.  The two political parties were represented on the scrutiny review, both parties heard the evidence that supports<A rel=nofollow></A> the case for a 20 mph limit and concluded that Haringey<A rel=nofollow></A> should make "the step change" to being a 20 mph limit borough in residential side roads and trial one 20 mph town centre.  The recommendations<A rel=nofollow></A> were not dismissed by Cabinet but are effectively<A rel=nofollow></A> on hold waiting for more evidence and once a decision is made the next hurdle will be funding.  There is also an Independent report which Haringey paid for which amongst it's recommendations<A rel=nofollow></A> supports<A rel=nofollow></A> 20 mph limits as being of benefit.  Please<A rel=nofollow></A> note there is a big difference between Limits and Zones, the latter being much more costly.   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="times new roman"></FONT><FONT face="times new roman"></FONT><FONT face="times new roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="times new roman">The debate about keeping, getting rid of, or increasing railings needs further discussion.   It would be useful to have past accident statistics which Haringey Officers will have.  There was a recent resident workshop which contributed to the development of an Area Plan.  An Area Plan is being developed for<A rel=nofollow></A> the three wards - Hornsey, Stroud Green and Crouch End.  It will be an evolving plan, just like life evolves as new things happen.   </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="times new roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="times new roman">I would recommend that you register your concerns via the Area Plan.  It is timely in that a first resident lead living streets audit has occurred<A rel=nofollow></A> and future audits are being planned for Crouch End.  The resident led audit was brilliant and covered many aspects but basically<A rel=nofollow></A> it is looking at what causes poor pedestrian<A rel=nofollow></A> flow, safety aspects, traffic flow, and much more.  This report is being added as an appendix to the Area Plan whilst it did not include the specific area you have raised future audits will be looking at other areas in Crouch End.  Officers will respond to the comments and suggestions<A rel=nofollow></A> of the first report in due course and of course the Area Plan is a public document so there will be regular updates and feedback as ideas progress or are rejected.     </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="times new roman"></FONT> </DIV>

NorthNineteen

Naked streets would work very well in Crouch End.  I'm not sure what you could do on Crouch Hill by the Haringay Arms but the Broadway could definitely be narrowed with street furniture removed.<br><br>Make it a no left turn from Crouch Hill onto the Broadway so you can remove the pedestrian island on that junction and therefore remove all the horrible guardrail that dramatically reduces an already narrow pavement outside Dunns.<br><br>You also don't need two lanes S/B through this junction.  This would mean you could widen the pavement outside Costa (and remove guardrails).<br><br>Would you guess I went on a Better Street design course last week?<br>

vetski

<P>It is already no left turn from Crouch Hill onto the Broadway. Do you mean from the Broadway onto Crouch Hill? The street is so narrow there that I have never understood why there's a pedestrian island at all; surely all they'd need to do is reset the lights with a left turn filter (which would mean keeping both S/B lanes)?</P> <P>Was the course fun?</P>

NorthNineteen

Oh yeah, it is no left turn.  The carriageway could certainly be realigned to slow down vehicles from Crouch Hill to Coleridge Rd which would have the dual impact of making it safer for pedestrians crossing Coleridge Road and making more pedestrian space.<br><br>I agree, there should be left turn filter, what I meant before is reduce the 2 lanes S/B that are straight ahead at the junction.<br><br>Course was excellent.  I noticed no-one from Harringey or Islington were on the course.<br>

vetski

Of course not, they'd have been too busy digging more potholes!