Woodberry down guardian article

kreuzkav

@ Joe.  I think there will be a shift to the left over the next five years.  Stroud Green will be full of rent-controlled properties.  It will be a model for the world.  Perhaps in the land of make-believe?

JoeV

Here's hoping I can last the next five years.

miss annie

Two separate notices of the hustings were posted here about a week or more in advance by two different people. Anyone who is keen to engage with local issues had plenty of notice.

gardener-joe

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kreuzkav

I didn't see them.  I had a busy week.  Did you go, Miss Annie?<div><br></div><div>To be honest I decided not to look at this site coming up to elections as I thought it would wind me up, and it has.  The usual Lib Dem propaganda on here.  Now that I'm rattled and have the afternoon off, I'm happy to do the 'hustling'.</div>

miss annie

No. I don't live in Stroud Green ward, or indeed Haringey.

kreuzkav

Did you go to your local rustlings then.  I like that I'm on trial.  I'm quite good at defending myself.  Miss Annie likes to point the finger then gets annoyed when it's pointed back.

miss annie

Errr, did I ask you if you went? You are shouting at the wrong person.

andy

There weren't any hustings, as far as I know, for candidates in Islington wards.

kreuzkav

to use my favourite word, you 'insuated' I should have been there.  

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kreuzkav

@ Misscara, I learnt some valuable insights from you over the last few years. I was very negative, half glass person.  I'm not anymore.  I actually really like you now.  Not that you probably care.  I liked our disputes.  It's bloody online, but hopefully not offline.<div><br></div><div>Anyhow, I agree Stroud Green has improved over the last two decades since I first set foot in it but as you say my hearts is in old SG, which wasn't that scary but down to earth and warm and not full of loud-mouthed middle-class (hipsterish) teens.  Life goes on.  I avoid the Faltering Fallback and Old Dairy now as they've turned into ruger pubs.  </div><div><br></div><div>MissCara, I've heard Green Lanes the Ladder is like it was here years ago.  You did well.  Lots of love, KCx<br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>

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kreuzkav

Sorry Misscara, no mal content involved in the kisses.  I'm just quite dramatic in many ways.  Not trying to hit on you and you have a  boyfriend from what I've read on here recently.  Just like you a lot and if I like someone I show it.  In a purely friendly way of course.  Anyhow, heres to a good future. I hope it all goes well for you!

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NorthNineteen

I wonder how the good people of Stroud Green felt in the 70s felt with kreuzhav moving in (or was it his parents, i'm not sure), or how the Ladder people feel with these newcomers from Stroud Green like misscara.  Perhaps we should follow the Chinese model where newcomers to the city don't have any rights?

NorthNineteen

In terms of the article, thanks for posting and very interesting.  I've just started doing some work on Woodberry Down and surrounds with LB Hackney. 

kreuzkav

@ North N19, you don't get it.  Totally out of line.  People applied for housing back then and got it after a bit of time.  My parents bought a house via a mortgage on low wages but double income.  Those days have shifted from kind to hard.  Go figure.

NorthNineteen

London was also a city that was depopulating, the government were forcing employment to the home counties and beyond, and the city planners were trying to ensure London had a peaceful death.  It was a different world.

dion

@n19 - no problem, though wasn't sure it was going to be so controversial. Cities always change their make ups, the area changed when those mansions were knocked down, and is changing now, and will change again. Immigrants from other bits of london and other cities will come and go, some will stay, some will move on.<div><br></div><div>Can you give some examples of companies being forced out of London? or link me to somewhere I can find out more?</div>

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Ali

<P>'The people now in power' Ali?</P> <P>I really should have said the generation who are in their  50s had great educational opportunities for free if you were in the 5 % but now I guess it is now 50% and more that go to Uni so it now costs.</P> <P>Dion being forced out of London, well a good bit of the operational  part of the Civil Service and  Tax people where relocated out of London.  I also supsect lots of that has been out sourced. </P> <P>Big employers like BT and BP all had stratgies of moving people out of the centre  of London to big open plan offices around the M25  must be lots more </P>

ChangN4N6

Bring on more middle class people voters coffee drinks to N4 ;except yummy mummies) and roll back the workies to Hastings . Then send ms kreuzkav to lecture them and have a bet in how many minutes it takes before he's strung up and forced to watch tv property shows while having his neck snapped by ppl who can't get jobs as nurses and posties . Or vets. Chang

NorthNineteen

I'll try to dig it out Dion, there was a whole government department set up for relocating business from London.  There was also a ban on increasing office space in Central London - again i'll try to find out some more.<div><br></div><div>@misscara Fair enough, but you get my point that people have got to move at some point? And I wonder how the 'locals' felt with past movements? i.e. I can't imagine your family can lay claim to 100+ years in Stroud Green and environs?  It's very easy to say London was so much better in the 50s, 70s, 90s but forget that the processes that led to you perceiving London to be better then are often similar, if not the same as what is happening now.</div>

ChangN4N6

Miscarra has been here since 1942. Respect. But don't we know it. Chang

JoeV

@Dion - I don't know of specific companies being forced out of London but the conversion of commercial properties to residential seems to be a growing concern for many councils, especially since the Government now allows change of use without planning consent.<div><br></div><div><div>http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/office-to-residential-scheme-comes-under-fire-at-high-court/6529795.article</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/housing-boom-squeezing-businesses-out-of-londons-west-end-9079612.html">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/housing-boom-squeezing-businesses-out-of-londons-west-end-9079612.html</a></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/daily-news/its-official-government-announces-offices-to-residential-permitted-development-right/8641695.article">http://www.architectsjournal.co.uk/news/daily-news/its-official-government-announces-offices-to-residential-permitted-development-right/8641695.article</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/11/new-london-housing-aimed-at-wealthy">http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/nov/11/new-london-housing-aimed-at-wealthy</a></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal;"><o:p></o:p></p></div></div>

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NorthNineteen

The relocation of employment was during the 60s and 70s, that's when lots of government departments left London and many of the big firms set up outside office too.  Some companies relocated to outer London hence why there are so many 60s/70s buildings in a range of places from Croydon to Wembley, even Archway tower.

andy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location_of_Offices_Bureau http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London_Plan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_towns_in_the_United_Kingdom