Please save this tree on Stroud Green Road (by Friday)

JohnA

<div>I'd really like to save this healthy tree <span style="font-size: 10pt;">from the clutches of Islington Council's Highways department.  </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Please respond to this consultation </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/V9RCL9F" style="font-size: 10pt;">https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/V9RCL9F</a><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> and click on No and comment. </span></div><div> <br>"During the critical evening commuter periods, the many pedestrians overflow into the cycle track making it unusable. <span style="font-size: 10pt;">The benefits of widening of an unused cycle track are outweighed by the loss of the second largest tree on Stroud Green Road."</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Thanks John</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></div><div><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rtiVDrQ7J_ooR7x8laggBfDpwZ5O82ilENwq8wlK3GLjLQeQ8ow57W0LVxlJwLSYlNZ3-zL6qRWXQjqG_pjOBO6Vzf5kzDi7ImFrkm8obn7Ikzda4atttkRMPVjK7Fh1XvzvMFBeX_kcJ-T9_PvtmfSfrujgvgdBICtnJ3MKKWe4XAw9FEYGQk_XA4yqCKV11qwKKavId0ITMutyV1oPpAurFhPLAKUYSVsIVrTU2EkUc-FwENPxQi6UwevVFU1s0RMNov3E5F6zvzI1eIl8VAXdrJ3hRJqRTY3_Ua5eqOP4ZofLorJzpU1hBl0p-RNqA-TlKPAEB6mlif58Jq6E-pFPB2GZRwGn1_QvMk06Z4-AhcrzQcWNiDePTdy-T9bmMKI_sNnO2AF6yarhE2borR289ZrkY_s_LBhlJHU6vjISksCiJqY5D6Amcz5hM97cQCQUpnIpbj9ArfdZTtuN5ySZbnk9h8RIeHKvIcZFszU0brVhgbJ5X14lLiDDchzifSlQkt2RVY04DRUjOWgZ8AvOPdZa0tkpIFnru95Np4=w401-h842-no"><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></div>

Arkady

Good shout John.

NorthNineteen

Fully support.  I just think provision of dedicated cycle infrastructure here is not a priority (I know people disagree with this).  Much better to improve parallel route especially with the planned improvements to Isledon Road/Seven Sisters Road by TfL.<br>

Arkady

My comment: <div><br></div><div>"The plans for the stretch between Morris Place and Station Place seem sensible. However, I'm not sure that any amount of tinkering will create sufficient space for both a cycle path and a pedestrian pavement between Lennox Road and Morris Place. Pedestrians will always spill over onto the cycle path, making it dangerous. Add to this that this misguided plan will involve removing a large tree. Better to scrap the cycle path on that stretch and widen the pavement instead."</div>

JohnA

@NorthNineteen I am all for dedicated cycle infrastructure but my guess is that this will be ripped out in 1-5 years and replaced with something where pedestrians and cyclists are not in conflict.  The tree should stay because whatever happens the pavement needs widening and tree will be safe in the middle of it. <div><br></div><div>@Arkady Completely agree with your comments. Tinkering being the operative word.</div>

marko

<div>this isn't tinkering. The current arrangements are poorly designed, verging on dangerous</div><div><br></div>A big hazard on this stretch is parking by taxis - with associated hazards of car doors being opened into the cycle lane, drivers waiting outside their vehicles smoking and talking and pedestrians crossing the street between parked vehicles without looking before cross the cycle lane.   Double-yellow lines will make such waiting illegal at all times.   I hope it's enforced.<div><br></div><div>Another problem is the repeated failure of bus drivers to notice cyclists waiting at the give-way line on Morris place when they turn right into it.  Allowing a right turn out of Lennox Road for cyclists would alleviate this one. </div><div> </div>

miss annie

Cycling on Seven Sisters Rd is generally pretty good, bus lane functions as cycle lane which works fine. I cycle along it at times of day and night with no problems. Hornsey Rd also excellent especially at traffic lights. I'm not sure anyone wants cycle all the way up SGR but I do use it to come out of Rock St via the bus station. Most people seem to have split off into the side roads before Season. I would like to do a left into Seven Sisters from Rock St, then a right into Fonthill. It would be quicker for me but there's no way to do it safely. Anyone in charge of cycle lane planing should be made to cycle the route before they add or take it away!

NorthNineteen

Having been at a meeting recently with highways engineers who design cycle lanes I'd hazard a guess that many of them haven't been on a bike in years - let alone able to cycle any distance<br>

krappyrubsnif

The whole cycle lane under the bridge both sides is dangerous and a waste of time as presently configured. Islington and Haringey road traffic engineers should be compelled to get out of their council vehicles and onto their bikes to give it a proper makeover.

krappyrubsnif

Also has anyone noticed that the pedestrian lights across Seven Sisters Road at the top of Rock Street (outside Arsenal shop) are also a cycling crossing - it seems to go from nowhere to nowhere. It looks to me like some half finished idea. Miss Annie's suggestion for a *safe* route through to Fonthill Road is a good one - would solve the whole problem (and save the tree).

gardener-joe

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Ali

<p>The road surface under the bridge is very bad and needs fixing.</p><p> </p><p>I used the cycle green man at Rock Street and got stopped bya PCO who didn't seem to understand  I was within my rights as it is  a Toucan crossing. I think you are supposed to cycle through the station  on the pavemnet in front of the Silver Bullet although it is very badly marked up. </p>

marko

The pavement on Rock Street is signed as shared between cyclists and bicycles, hence the cycle crossing from the bus station. <div><br></div><div>As for the pavement in front of the Silver bullet: It used to be marked when built, but seems to have been resurfaced subsequently and the markings not replaced.  It isn't really wide enough though.</div>

Ali

<p>Marko  I think you will find that the Rock Street sign that was there originally just outside the Mosque is not there any more.</p><p> </p><p>It is also not clear  how you use the Toucan Crossing once you get onto the Staion side of the street, nothing is signed.</p><p> </p><p>It is a confuisng mess in Station Place which is pity as lot on money has been spent with little result.</p><p>Made these points in the Tree survey </p>

miss annie

@NorthNineteen Then how do planners work out what will be best for cyclists. I often think they must just put a load of random ideas about cyclists in a hat and plan around the one they pull out first but I had hoped I was wrong.

NorthNineteen

So many different processes according to where the funding is coming from, what is trying to be achieved, what local pressure groups are saying, what the current Mayor/council leaders flavour of the month is.... I could spend a good couple of hours explaining it - alas the end result is often no better than your random idea.<br>