Empty retail space opposite Fins Park station

Sutent

@Verga - you may want to consider your ignorant statement again

south_to_north

I detect a hint of trolling.....

miss annie

The busiest time will be between 10 - 10.30pm, the same as it is now, when every theatre and cinema in town closes and several thousand people (a large majority of whom afe visitors woth no idea where they are), want to get on the tube at the same time. Piccadilly Circus is terrifying at that time of an evening.

south_to_north

Aye.... but if friends come up to Finsbury park and we're having a nice drink in the pub, the night tube will mean that they don't have to leave at 11:30 (having only got there at 8). They can stay (for example) till the world's end closes at 1, and then pop into the silver bullet until that closes at 3:30/4. Right now that's not possible without blowing money on ubers or taking ages to get home on a night bus. That's a great prospect in my view..... 

Papa

They could just run one tube an hour, then it would be like the late night weekend disco train between Manchester and Leeds I once got that was packed like sardines with a bizarre mix of casualties, people still partying, and unfortunate fellow passengers wondering how they had stepped into an alternate Hunter S Thompsonesque reality.

south_to_north

I think that's practically what they're going to do no?

south_to_north

<p>Actually no.... wait, that wouldn't work. People have to change tubes. If it was one an hour it would be little better than a night bus. I think it's definitely going to be diminished frequency though.</p>

Sutent

The trains will run around every 10 minutes. <div><br></div><div>They have completed the interviews for the pert time drivers but there is an issue that their training is not as comprehensive as it should be and the unions are unhappy with this. Unless this is resolved there may be further strikes. </div><div><br></div><div> According to TFL stats 1 in 7 women have reported some sort of sexual assault on the transport system. I am not sure how TFL are going to improve the situation which may become worse with the night tube. </div>

Arkady

<img src="http://assets.londonist.com/uploads/2016/03/night_tube_frequencies_large.jpg">

verga

ah, south to north, very perceptive, guilty as charged!  <div><br></div><div>Ignorant statement?  </div><div><br></div><div>Absolutely. </div><div><br></div><div>I have no idea why so much training is needed to drive a tube train down a track, how much health and safety training is needed for tube drivers to stop them banging into things, running the train off the rails, having a heart attack on the job, playing squash whilst off with back problems, or just chilling out on their laptops watching films.</div><div><br></div><div>Let's compare them to bus drivers who get paid a lot less and have to deal with the following: </div><div><br></div><div>The general public, pleasant and rude, abusive or nice, drunk or sober</div><div>Other road users leaping in front of their buses</div><div>Other drivers</div><div>A massive bus capable of killing other people in accidents</div><div>Bad weather conditions</div><div>General pollution and things</div><div><br></div><div>Frankly, it sounds like a classic closed shop scam - but then I am an ignorant troll so who cares what I think. </div>

south_to_north

Not that I agree - but I do find it odd how much they get paid. And their days do seem numbered (DLR anyone?).... but they have a right to strike just as anyone does. Doesn't matter how much you earn or what your hours are - if a company tries to force something on you that conflict with 1) what you presumed your hours to be and 2) what you expected your pay to be per hour you work, you have a right to be pissed. *Especially* if you don't have many transferrable skills. How many other tubes can they drive in London? It's not like they can go get a job at TFL's competitors....

Arkady

There will never be 'driverless' trains on the underground, as you need a trained operative to escort people if the trains have to be evacuated in the tunnel. The most that we will see is 'cabless' trains where the operator has more flexibility to move around the train, as with the DLR. Several lines including the Victoria are already automated (and have been since then 60s) such that 'driving' just involves pressing a button.<div><br></div><div>The argument for high pay is not unreasonable. Working underground without daylight, in cramped conditions, with a reasonable chance of someone using you to commit suicide at some point, in an extremely stressful timekeeping environment = not fun.</div>

Sutent

They are also an essential service like medical staff, police etc. They work some very unsociable shifts so you need them to live in London so they need to be paid to do so. 

south_to_north

<p>That's very interesting @arkady - good to know!</p><p>Well, regarding the conditions - the same could be said for many jobs (mining?).... but I'd rather not go there, otherwise you'll have people quoting Marx and Adam Smith and that's never fun (especially on an internet forum).</p>

verga

<div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px; line-height: normal;">http://content.tfl.gov.uk/sasp-20150317-part-1-item07-customer-non-accidental-fatalities.pdf</span><br></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px; line-height: normal;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px; line-height: normal;">0.018 suicides per million customer journeys based on Q1-3 2014/15 data</span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px; line-height: normal;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px; line-height: normal;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333px; line-height: normal;"><br></span></font></div>

Arkady

Yes, if you want to see what happens to people and communities when you destroy unions then mining is indeed very good place to start.

therattle

I am always struck when people complain that certain jobs are relatively highly paid compared to others, and the solution is to reduce that job's pay instead of increasing everyone else's to match. "Tube drivers are paid more than bus drivers!". Well, give bus drivers more money then. Heaven forbid people who service this city are paid more than a pittance and just about enough to live in London on!<br>

south_to_north

<p>@arkady ;Quite. </p><p>@therattle ;Wasn't actually complaining - was just wondering really. As arkady says, those who drive the Victoria line appear to just push a button, and so 40k does seem like a lot of money. Just curious if I'm missing something or if it's just a case of "sticky wages". But no I'm not advocating reducing their pay in some draconian way.</p><p>Though there will probably come a time when they're not as necessary, and not to accept that at some point in the future is to border on being a luddite. It's just one of those things - and it's going to happen to a lot of jobs (including mine).</p>

south_to_north

<p>(it's fair to say that this feed has gone a bit off-topic....)</p>