Buying share of freehold (collective enfranchisement)

edited March 2009 in Local discussion
We're thinking of buying a share of our freehold with the other people in our building. Has anyone ever done this? Any idea how expensive it is and how long it takes?

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  • LizLiz
    edited 4:20PM
    I have done it before - five of us bought the freehold for a converted house. The freeholder charged us £1k each, that was about 7 years ago. I have heard of people paying quite a lot more than that though. We also paid a solicitor to handle the contract for us, I think it cost a few hundred pounds between us. The other main consideration is how you are going to own and run the freehold. We set up a limited company - this is quite normal and relatively easy to do, lots of companies who will do all the paperwork for you for a fee. Then all the freeholders get a share which they can then transfer when they sell their house. It does mean you need to do an annual return and get your accounts done, but there are also companies who will do this for you, for a fee, of course. We managed it ourselves for the first three years, but then got a managing agent involved because it was getting to be a bit of a pain/admin heavy, especially when work needed doing e.g. getting quotes, liaising with builders, collecting money off everyone. Overall, I would say it is worth it if you get on with the other people in the building, but it can get messy so you need to work out what you are prepared to do yourselves and what you will pay others to do for you.
  • benben
    edited 4:20PM
    I've just done this, so I know a bit about it, but it's quite technical, and your best bet would be to contact a specialist solicitor about it to talk it through. I can recommend someone if you want.

    The cost will depend on a number of factors, the most important of which is the number of years left on the lease. Once the lease drops below 80 years, things get much more expensive (it will also be hard to sell your flat if your lease gets much below this). I've just paid *thousands* of pounds for my share of the freehold because of this. I think that the rest of the cost depends on the amount of ground rent that the freeholder is in effect giving up by selling you the freehold, so this can vary considerably.

    It took us quite a long time to do, because (a) our initial solicitor was not very good (b) every time we had to make a decision, we all (four flat owners) had to agree (c) the freeholder was extremely awkward. More than two years from start to finish.

    Whether it's worth doing or not depends on your other options. Once the lease drops below 80 years, you'll either want to buy the freehold or extend the lease, and - in our case - the latter wasn't much cheaper than the former. Owning the freehold gives you more control over decision-making, and it also makes the flat more valuable in the long-run. But it has eaten up a large chunk of my savings....
  • edited 4:20PM
    We bought ours from Islington Council a couple of years back. It was very cheap (less than £1k) and whilst it seemed to take a while it was a fairly painless process. I think they are well setup to run the whole thing as long as you don't mind it taking a bit of time.
  • edited 4:20PM
    Thanks very much. Yes our lease is now 72 years, sadly, and our freeholder is a very greedy man (charges £2k a year for our buildings insurance - and it's only a converted terrace house with 3 flats in it)! So I'm sure it's going to cost a fortune - but at least with values falling, it's probably a good time to do it. It would be great to get the name of your good solicitor, Ben. Also what kind of tactics did the freeholder use to delay stuff? And did the valuation change over the 2 years? I was thinking of maybe saying to the freeholder: this is the sum, take it or we go immediately to the leasehold tribunal... Anyone had any experience with this?
  • benben
    edited 4:20PM
    I doubt it will be that easy, unless your freeholder is a bit clueless, but it may be worth a try.

    There is a formula for working out what the freehold will cost, based on a valuation of the property. So there is a bit of grey area, but not a great deal.

    The freeholder is likely to reject your offer and put in a counter-offer. If you can't come to an agreement, you will end up at a tribunal, but this will cost you more in fees and I *think* that there is an expectation that you try to negotiate first. I may be wrong about this.

    In our case, a combination of our initially poor solicitor and their delaying tactics pushed us beyond the 80 years. They simply took a long time to respond to everything. But I think that there's a fairly set timetable that comes into play once you formally submit your application to purchase. It gives something like six months for you to negotiate before you go to tribunal.

    I may be wrong about some of these details - I'll whisper you the email address of the (much better) solicitor we got to finish the job. Good luck!
  • edited 4:20PM
    Thanks ever so much Ben that is really, really helpful.
  • edited 4:20PM
    Just looked it up. Apparently the freeholder has 2 months to respond to our offer with a counter-offer. We then have to consider this offer for a further 2 months, before we can apply to the leasehold tribunal. The variables for the valuation (eg how long is left on the lease) is set on the day you serve the notice. If anyone has recently bought a freehold Victorian terrace (3 flats) in Stroud Green I'd be very interested to know what you paid for it, if you wouldn't mind maybe whispering it to me. Thanks again for all the help!
  • edited 4:20PM
    Donna - if you don't get any reply to your last query, there are now websites that provide actual selling prices for properties. One is www.mypropertyspy.co.uk but I think there are lots. There is a lag of a couple of months, but you can search by postcode and should see everything that's sold in a particular area. With the current market of course you can take the most recent and knock a bit off it for likely value now.
  • edited 4:20PM
    We recently bought the freehold for 2 flats within a converted Victorian house. The landlord was absent and we'd never met them or paid the ground rent.

    Regardless of the landlord being absent we ended up having to pay £27k between the two flats (much more than the solicitors originally said) and then there were solictors fees which were about another £8,000 per flat. We only had 70 years left on our lease.

    It also took about 2 years to conclude and we extended the lease which cost about £450 per flat.

    Hopefully your freehold won't cost as much.
  • edited November 2009
    Hello, better late than never...

    If you go to http://www.lease-advice.org/ you will find some info on buying the freehold.

    I am a valuer specialising in this area: the premium you have to pay depends on lots of factors but most importantly the number of years which remain on the various leases. In the case of a 2 flat conversion, both leaseholders have to 'participate', where there are more than 2 flats in a conversion at least 50% of the leaseholders have to participate.

    I hope this helps.
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