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Does is matter?
So people have money good luck to them
I think the fact that people working in financial instutions claim big amounts of money is so selfish. They think because they shfit vast amounts of capital around the economy that they're vital. What about people in hospitals who save lives (maybe their life)? Should they earn million pound bonuses?
I think wealth should be shared as much as possible. It's the post second world war dream. Social democracy. Why is that not right?
I know I would
Its the old argument money will make money
On both/all of those occasions I've seen the bin chaps putting green, brown and black wheelie bins into the same lorry.
ok I can't actually remember the precise colours (and didn't check the contents, obv), but I DO remember that it looked pretty much like a recycling/non-recycling reunion going on in the lorry.
I hope the fine themselves good n proper.
[Apols for lack of class war comment]
Can I call an advisor round and point out to them all the rubbish that ends up strewn over our front garden from those very same recycling boxes by the binmen?
Oh and please don't be "flattered" that I have made up a new name to take you to task. As your just wanting to be more inportant that you might well be worth.
Put it this way; imagine this stick, one end has dog poo on it and one end has not, you have hold of the wrong end and might need to wash your hands before dinner.
They don't care if you don't live by that junction and don't realise one of their facist cars with a camera is parked their to fine people.Why believe the council when they say "fines are a last resort"?
From 4 April 2011, you must not throw away anything in the rubbish bin which you can recycle at home using the services the council provides, otherwise you may receive a fine.
The council is sending information to every household in Islington to remind residents what recycling services they have and how to use them. We want to encourage all residents to recycle as much as they can, and give everyone all the information they need to help them recycle.
If someone is not using their recycling service after 4 April, an advisor may visit to make sure they have everything they need to recycle, and to answer any questions. Although recycling advisors can issue fines, they will only do so as a last resort if they are 100% sure that someone has all the information and containers they need to recycle, and are deliberately not recycling.
At the end of their message on the council website: the bullying threat to come to your home and issue a fine.Islington council are a bunch of creepy control freaks to threaten to come round to elderly people's homes and issue fines. Bullying like this by the council is morally wrong.
If the resident continues not to recycle, a Section 46 notice will be issued. This will inform the resident exactly what they have to do to prevent being fined – in this case, to stop throwing things away which can be recycled at home. The notice will also let the resident know that their rubbish bin may be visually inspected to see if things which could be recycled at home are being thrown away. If the resident is still throwing things away which can be recycled at home, the recycling adviser may issue a fixed penalty notice.
The fixed penalty notice is for £110, reduced to £60 if paid within 10 days.
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- Finsbury Park has got some of the poorest residents in the UK and Islington council are threatening them with £110 fine after going throught their bins,of elderly people who live on the tenth floor of the six acres and the andover estate.The Labour Party are doing this: imagine getting a letter from Labour islington council telling you "your rubbish may be visually inspected". F off.
This is about a point of principle. There will be mentally ill people, or elderly people with certain medical or psycological conditions who will be worrying that if they don't put the right kind of rubbish into their black bags they will be fined;because people who are ill worry about things like this.This worry might be not a fair reflection of the truth if the council never fine anyone,but the threat of the fine is the thing that the council are doing to make people worry when they put rubbish out. The council's threat of a fine will put these anxious thoughts into the minds of some of the most vulnerable people in Islington borough.
It's nothing to do with the daily mail,it's a serious moral point of principle about how Labour Islington Council treats vulnerable people in their borough. Actionverb you might not worry - maybe you are able bodied person in good mental and physical health who does not live on the tenth floor of a tower block on the six acres or andover estates.Have some empathy for others who aren't in good health.
You can judge a Labour council by how they treat the most vulnerable people in their borough and they have got this one wrong.
Recycling is obviously good thing as it saves the council money - that's not the issue.It's about principles, morality,right and wrong.
If you want to turn this into a class debate about daily mail then thats not really what this is about.Or some cr-p about id names.
A vulnerable person could have trouble paying their council tax, or signing up for a GP, or getting their kids into school. You could argue whether the support they get is enough or not, but it's not really about recycling one way or another.
Also, as a side note, "discussion boards" are about "discussion". 5 really long posts in a row, all making essentially the same point, won't win anyone to your cause, however right you think it is. People don't listen to rants.
The council are saying that they will fine you for not recycling food in some cases. See the islington council website.
But they are not going to fine businesses,I think.
I've forgotten what the philosophical argument is to this one. Maybe someone could help out. You start with a premis,then something else, then a conclusion,I have forgotten how you do those philosophical arguments. Prefer an after lunch rant - much more cathartic.
1.premis: loud music causes distress to neighbours who complained
2. distress of neighbours outweighs the distress of threat of the fine
3.conclusion - fine is justified
argument for not threatening giving fines for not recycling;
1. premis : not recycling does not cause distress to neighbours.
2. distress of threat of fine outweighs damage not recycling causes
3.conclusion fine not justified
maybe a philosophy student could do some philosophical arguments on this theme to express it better or a guardian jouranlist! ho ho ho
andy - on "new park for area" thread you dont complain about multiple posts,rightly so,its a good thread.Double standards,maybe you should get a job with control freak islington council andy - issue a few fines to skint pensioners in tower blocks on the six acres -join the jack book brigage at islington council .
Andy - I am discussing points people brought up,so shove off if you cant debate. If people dont like this thread then how come so many people commented? Just because you run this forum don't mean you can boss us around like the authorities do at islington council,power has gone to their heads and power corrupts and they turned into control freaks. Are you being a control freak Andy as u run this forum,u are entitled to your opinion though.