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Where do I sign?
They may look harmless as they stand around, shouting, drinking and swearing from 9am until 9pm every single god damn day the bookies is open but believe me, they are part of a smal, organised crime ring. They watch local people coming and going and tip others off when there's an opportunity for petty crime (they are too drunk to do it themselves).
I once saw them take drugs off a traffic warden who walked past. They also saw me see them.
Lo and behold I am burgled and my car is ransacked (on the same day) two weeks later.
The Police can't prove it so it still goes on. I tried to get rid of them by being conniving and overexaggerating one particular occasion (where they gave me and my flatmate homophobic abuse) in order to warrant Community Officers come round daily to move them on, therefore effectively disbanding them. But it involved a lot of effort from me, writing letters and calling the police, so I didn't bother seeing it through.
A drive by shooting on the Grand National day would have been ideal, but alas, that didn't happen either.
Can I have my own thread for these scummers, please? I could rant for pages and pages.
If you want to discuss behaviour in the street, do so, by all means. If you think it is serious enough to campaign for something to be done about it, you are entitled to do so. But the minute you get personal and abusive, you risk infringing an individual's civil rights, although those who describe their fellow human beings as rubbish plainly don't think they've got any. We've had this problem before, with Tollington Tom, who was perfectly well able to look after himself, and with that thread about street 'characters', some of whom were not (although, to be fair, I don't think there was much abuse, on that occasion).
For Miss Cara, who does not know how to argue, and how likes to give vent to her anger regardless of possible consequences, I am a NIMBY. Because I try to make this simple case in defence of civil rights generally, I am a hypocrite, because I have nothing to do with the people in question, and have not invited them all round for the night. She justifies her behaviour, not for the first time, with a holier than thou reference to her work for the homeless. Please stop it, Miss C, and think twice before shouting about people who are not in a position to shout back.
That's a highly odd remark, checkski. Especially for someone who's decrying a discussion about street people for becoming 'too personal'...
The general test for privacy and discussion of celebrities private lives is whether they have used their personal life for financial gain, ie done Hello and OK etc.
In terms of being discussed on a local community message board, there is an argument that a parallel could be drawn with a decade's worth of high profile begging and seeking to profit from looking down and out on the doorstep of SGR's most visited shop.
There will be plenty of people here who have given money based on the depiction of hungry and homeless - if you play on that to make money and aren't, or are spending money on drugs taken on the street, (and are also benefitting from taxpayer funded accomodation) you are open to discussion and criticism.
That probably sounds harsh, but I'd say there has been more understanding, compassion and defence of Camp Tesco's right to be there on this thread than you suggest.
However, pretty much everything I said about the guys outside William Hill *probably* being burglars was completely libellous. But I don't give a shit, because they are low-life scummy bastards who make my life, and that of others, on occasion, really rather difficult and unpleasant.
Arkady, I love you. I used to love Tosscat but he's spurned my advances. I quite fancy Miss Annie, but she's taken, I believe.
I get rude thoughts about Misscara, too. Sometimes. She's pretty sexy but scary. Four Eyes seems nice.
Arkady Is first choice cos he knows EVERYTHING, but I still reckon I could teach him a few tricks.
Look: I'm desperate. Share the love, will you. I'm a considerate and kind lover.
But don't whisper me. Whispering frightens me. It's like "the voices".
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I wrote a long post in defence of my position, but then, sickeneningly, managed to lose the lot, and I haven't got the stomach to go through it all again, nor to add any more to this discussion.
I am very disappointed that that the majority, including you, seem to think that this group have forfeited what rights they had, by behaving badly. The reactions of some posters have been savage in the extreme. That way lies fascism, I think...
...but hardly anyone agrees with me, so I'd better leave it there.
Infact, if you are me, you are going to seriously dislike them.
Hysteria leads to narrow-mindedness and aggression, leads to (eg) racism, leads to fascism. Of course, we are a long way from that, thank God. But, unlike an earlier poster, I think that sort of reaction could for some legitimise nasty clashes in the street, and, generally, a negative attitude to very unfortunate people - because I'm convinced that that's what they are, au fond. It's the role of the Daily Mail and other tabloids to whip up prejudice, as barnesbq says, and I think it should be discouraged on SG.org.