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miss annie · October 2013

Comparing asking people to contribute something to society in return for free money and a home, to concentration camps is not only ridiculous but offensive to anyone with Jewish relatives and friends, let alone a grasp of history. And in the words of Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that.

ChangN4N6 · October 2013

Remember Mick Philpot and his lifestyle ? And morals? I'm not a daily mail supporter but there are shirkers and those of us who graft should not have to sit back while even bigger plasma tellys are bought by couch potatoe families on the welfare cashpoint. And community service is fair exchange and useful to all of us. Like many ppl I do it any way and work (!) And these towns where industries have been destroyed (quotes ) are places often where industries are not needed by consumers or unions have out priced the companies from winning business. That's life. And no socialist gets sentimental when office workers in private firms get laid off and face hardship. But the romance of heavy industry gives em a hard on every time. C'mon George. And cut free school milk while your at it. Oh yeah .... Chang

Ali · October 2013

some facts are required here. Everything you will ever need to know about (un)employment in the UK can be found here <A href="http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_325094.pdf">http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_325094.pdf</A>; Pages 16/17 are most relevant although there is some other interesting data here such as 899,000 people had been unemployed for over one year, little changed from February to April 2013 and from a year earlier. • 469,000 people had been unemployed for over two years, up 11,000 from February to April 2013 and up 27,000 from a year earlier. The Tories and Libdems have been running programmes to get people back into work, it doesn't seemed to had much affect on the no of people unemployed for a year some of whom end being unemployed for two or more. I guess the question is why haven't they been sucessfully helped back into work during the 1st year by the government program for that. I have heard that the private companies involved have cherry picked the best so they get paid leaving the more dificult cases. Third sector organsition such as Oxfam and Christain Aid rpulled out because of the way the government is running this. There are 8.96 million economically inactive (ie not (un)employed) people aged from 16 to 64, why are some of them not put back to work as it would economically make a hugh difference. They must be using public services that they may not be fully paying for. Back to Gideons plan, this is not mainly about getting people back into work but more about appealing to people's misinformed prejudices. It is called Dog Whistling and if Detitus and Yagamufin don't know what that is look at this <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics</A> Guess who was behind that one Lynton Crosby. These techniues were used in the recent Oz election which Tonny Abbot ran on "boat people" issues over whelming Oz apparently causing trafiic jams in Sydney as they have such a great life etc etc ! Imigrataion will be the next one to be used. Watch our for what you wish an don't be conned !

Sutent · October 2013

Thank you Ali. its very interesting. But why do the government want to turn us against each other? Is that because they want to deflect attention away from the rich so they can increase their bank balances.<div> </div><div>What really upsets me about the NHS reforms is that some of my colleagues are happy to keep their mouths shut as we are likely to make a killing with privatisation of the NHS. Its all very sad and a continuation of Thatcher policy where we only look after ourselves and don't care about others. I don't want to live in a society like that. Health + social care, education, housing, jobs are rights that I am more than happy to subsidise with my taxes. A more equal society means a more happy society. </div>

Detritus · October 2013

Let's fence off the park put all the unemployed in it and set savage mice on them. I don't care who's plan it is, I like the idea of the long term unemployed having to put something into the community to get their benefits.

Sutent · October 2013

Detritus don't you think it will be a better idea to create decent jobs with decent wages and offer education and retraining?

Detritus · October 2013

No, where do the job come from? Retraining is a good idea. But some people are not cut out for further education, that's not me taking the piss it's just a fact of life, I really do think that the long term unemployed should do something in the local community in exchange for benefits, I am not talking about a full weeks work, but a number of hours a week. I can't see how that is a problem.

unattachedinfant · October 2013

The thing that gets to me more than anything is the fact that this attack on welfare, which is predominantly focused on the unemployed, is used as a smokescreen to limit benefits to people who are sick and disabled. Through my job I hear day in day out from people who have life altering surgical treatments for cancer who are forced into "work related activity" less than two months after their treatment, causing stress and anxiety and delaying their recoveries, and hence their ability to get back into employment. What's more, I know of people receiving chemotherapy who are being declared fit for work, when DWP's own guidance says they should automatically be signed off.<div> </div><div>These people aren't getting rich off the public purse or taking the piss, they need help because, through no fault of their own, they got sick and benefits mean they can scrape by. <div> </div><div>Those of you who buy into the whole "strives versus skivers" rhetoric need to step down from your ivory towers and see that by slating the unemployed, you're helping to perpetuate this erosion of our entire safety net.</div></div>

markpack · October 2013

@Sutent I'm curious how you reconcile " We are dealing with humans here and must treat people with dignity and respect" with you also calling people "scum"?

Sutent · October 2013

@markpack if you as a political party sit down and purposely devise polices that attack the poorest in society (education, benefits health, housing) while looking after your super rich elite friends then there is something quite vulgar about that. With the cues at the foodbanks growing longer, children going to school hungry, poverty rising and the pain and anguish people are facing just to survive, scum is a word that I don't use lightly. I am sorry if it offends people but it is directed at the policy makers at the Tory party.

Detritus · October 2013

You said tory scum not tory policy making scum. As I said in my first post on this topic "I love being called scum, it makes my week" You didn't jump to correct yourself and tell us it is just the people who make the policy are the scum until directly challenged.

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miss annie · October 2013

My formative years were spent under a Labour government. Children went to school hungry, no one could heat their houses, the streets were full of rubbish and my grandad lay unburied for really quite a long time because everything and everyone was on strike all the bloody time! It was like France but cold. Has everyone really forgotten the glory years of New Labour? Ennobling dodgy mates, deregulating banks and introducing student fees were just a few of their finer moments. And let's draw a veil over weapons of mass destruction too. I don't want the NHS broken, neither do I want people milking the benefits system but I do want it there for the genuinely needy (and by that I mean people who are physically or mentally ill) I want there to be pensions but not for those who have never contributed anything all, and actually I'd quite welcome radical reform of the EU treaty. No party is going to please me.

Detritus · October 2013

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5174023/Jobless-mum-of-6-Everyones-jel-of-how-we-work-system.html I know it's from The Sun but she looks oh so vulnerable and defenceless, why should she get away with it?

Ali · October 2013

Apparently some who is scum is from Hull ! <A href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scum">http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scum</A>;

Ali · October 2013

1.09 million people between the ages of 16 and 24 are not in work, education or training. so the Tory answer is to cut their benifits, in his speech to the Conservative conference, the prime minister promised to "nag and push and guide" young people away from a life on the dole. How about some jobs for them but I guess econmic migrants have probbaly taken them all ! Whistle whistle !

yagamuffin · October 2013

Creating more jobs would be great but how are you going to achieve this?

kreuzkav · October 2013

I understand the arguments against Labour but I'd prefer them as a party to the Toff Tories ruling over us at the moment. The same way I'd prefer a Republic rather than a monarchy. Leaving aside aesthetics I think the Tories are targeting the lower working class when it comes to budgets. The banks were bailed out for the common good but the bankers didn't take much of a hit. Government is there to guide and to regulate and I don't think unregulated markets are the answer. I agree New Labour were friends to the unregulated market and I hate the working class elites that hold London to ransom e.g. The Tube drivers. I think the three major parties are flawed but I'd prefer a party that doesn't have an evil man like George Osbourne taking relish in making sure the country's poor go back to the workhouse.

Detritus · October 2013

Hitler was Evil, Stalin was Evil, Noddy is Evil, George Osborne is not Evil some sense of proportion is needed.

kreuzkav · October 2013

Osbourne is evil, but not on the same scale as those you mention. There are different degrees of evil as I'm sure you know.

Detritus · October 2013

Yes there is but I think you are wrong, he is trying to fix a mess he didn't create. I blame Blair and Brown.

kreuzkav · October 2013

As long as they try to create a better world for all of us. Not everyone has special skills. There are people who just want to work in jobs that aren't there. Not all are creatives. Don't forget that. Some people can be working class and move to a better level of income through skills, but not all.

Detritus · October 2013

I was born working class and will die working class, it makes no difference what I do in between I am proud of where I am from and what I have attached (very little admittedly) Something had to be done to fix the mess we were in, that mess cant be pinned on the Torys as we had labour in from 97. It just angers me that the Torys get it in the neck time after time when the labour party helped cause the mess

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kreuzkav · October 2013

To me as a worker (and I don't mean I'm a manual worker) my wages have stayed the same over five years and food prices, fuel bills... have gone up. I don't see the Tories changing this. The Liberal Democrat policy of increasing the tax free allowance has helped. Who are the Tories helping? If it's the economy, for who? And I don't think it's for everyone.

Detritus · October 2013

Wages have stayed the same and the cost of living has risen I totally agree but what else is to do? But I really think things are better under the Torys than it would be under Labour.

kreuzkav · October 2013

For whom are things better? Maybe you, but not me and I work hard.

Detritus · October 2013

Not me also.

Mirandola · October 2013

Hey, what's wrong with France?

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