Network Rail unnerving plans for works along Gospel Oak - Barking line

HolbornFox · February 2017

I realise that some of your ramblings would give Alan Turing a run for his money but you will definitely need to explain what makes me doom mongering?

Someone that would delay thousands of people going to work on a train due to a leaf is known as a NIMBY, and definitely needs a slap with a wet fish.

maclondon · February 2017

Having worked in transport (including railways) for much of my life, perhaps you need to understand what really happens - careful management reduces the problem and the most recent problems on the Piccadilly line was due to a combination of the type of brakes no longer used and leaves blown far away from the line itself -,so unless you are suggesting the decapitation of most parks then you cannot prevent the risk. NR saw sense and worked with the community to find a solution. By the way, I thought foxes like vegetation or was that another alternative fact?

Ali · February 2017

All explained here

http://www.londonreconnections.com/2016/wear-and-lathing-problem-with-the-piccadilly-lines-trains/

maclondon · February 2017

An enlightened stroudgreen.org member hurrah! Also a bit of a plug for Arkady who I believe is a regular contributor (or at least was) to the blog site.

HolbornFox · February 2017

You honestly think i am referring to leaves on the line and decapitation of parks, wtf?!

Have a day off from hiding behind behind the keyboard making snide comments old bean, you're cracking up.

vetski · February 2017

Just read this on HoL; slightly confused, as someone else told me a couple of weeks ago that the works were ahead of schedule! http://www.harringayonline.com/forum/topics/reopening-the-barking-gospel-oak-line

Arkady · February 2017

@vetski that's annoying if so.

@maclondon it's been a while since I wrote for LondonReconnections, but I do have another article on the FP redevelopment in the works. Just need some time to finish it... maybe one day.

I'd like to second the praise for all those who helped to ensure that we didn't get the ugliest of all possible options resulting from the electrification works. Bravo.

Sutent · February 2017

@vetski - there have been issues with procurement of steel for the electrification. They may have to finish the wiring on weekends etc hence why it will be open Mon - Fri. Blackhorse Rd which is the busiest interchange on the line has had its bridge disconnected to the main ticket hall so not sure when that will be fixed.

maclondon · February 2017

Typical of NR - I think that it was always the plan to finish aspects of the work past February but no weekend service to the end of the year is taking the biscuit. Something does need to change with how rail projects are delivered - the problem is that until NR either properly shapes up or someone allows work to be designed and delivered by others without requiring NR to approve every step. Of course, as NR owns the infrastructure they have every right but their standards/processes/governance are not fit for purpose in terms of delivering high quality, cost effective projects to time. At least GOBLIN is not Great western where the the whole project is years behind, over 3 times the price and even then large chunks of the route will not be electrified! See Shaw and Bowe reports for the polite versions of what has gone wrong. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/510179/shaw-report-the-future-shape-and-financing-of-network-rail.pdf

Sutent · February 2017

http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/http_www_islingtongazette_co_uk_news_gospel_oak_to_barking_overground_set_to_reopen_on_february_27_but_bosses_admit_work_won_t_be_finished_by_then_1_4879822_1_4879822

Sutent · February 2017

There are plans to raise the bridge at crouch hill station. Does anyone know how long the road will be closed for. If it is anything like Holloway road it could be a few months which could be traffic chaos. W7 users wont be happy

Sutent · February 2017

http://barking-gospeloak.org.uk/documents/20170206_press_release.pdf

Sutent · February 2017

My contact at GOBLIN has told me the work will probably start on crouch hill bridge in August. The lenghth of the work could be months but depends on gas,electric pipes etc. Am assuming traffic will be diverted down other roads on fiveways but that needs to be clarified.

poxy · February 2017

"... and the discovery that there will be insufficient clearance for the overhead wires under the road bridge at Crouch Hill station. It is believed that Network Rail has received a temporary dispensation to run electric trains under the bridge pending a later closure to raise the height of the bridge."

Raising the bridge, as painful as that will be for all concerned, will hopefully result in the removal of those fugly parapet extensions that appeared last week.

There's going to be uproar when the Crouch End masses realise the W7 is going to be subject to diversions.

poxy · February 2017

Duplicate post

Sutent · February 2017

The platform at crouch hill has to be lengthened too for the new trains.

grenners · February 2017

There has to be some liability somewhere from whoever did the original surveys and advised on programme / specifications of works but missed the fact the they wouldn't fit under a bridge. Surely it cannot be possible to only discover this later?

grenners · February 2017

There has to be some liability somewhere from whoever did the original surveys and advised on programme / specifications of works but missed the fact the they wouldn't fit under a bridge. Surely it cannot be possible to only discover this later?

trainspotter · February 2017

Are the parapet extensions blue metal fences screwed into a brick wall? They've appeared on our local bridge too on Oakfield Road. Agree about ugly. Couldn't they have built the brick wall a bit higher?

gardener-joe · February 2017

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poxy · February 2017

Yes, to big ugly blue fences. Why they couldn't be fixed to the masonry on the outside of the bridge is beyond me.

poxy · February 2017

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38918458

poxy · February 2017

Raising the bridge appears to mean exactly that. The existing bridge, including the parapets and fugly blue panels, is to be jacked-up by 300mm...

http://planning.islington.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/Generic/StdDetails.aspx?PT=Planning Applications On-Line&TYPE=PL/PlanningPK.xml&PARAM0=447767&XSLT=/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/SiteFiles/Skins/Islington/xslt/PL/PLDetails.xslt&FT=Planning Application Details&PUBLIC=Y&XMLSIDE=/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/SiteFiles/Skins/Islington/Menus/PL.xml&DAURI=PLANNING

miss annie · February 2017

On BBC London news right now! Shambles. Network Rail installed the wrong kind of poles - TfL only just found out apparently.

HolbornFox · February 2017

Just curious but would it not be easier to lower the track by 300mm?

Sutent · February 2017

@HolbornFox you would of thought so. In Walthamstow they had issues digging into sewers so I can only imagine it was the same issue. I will try and find out?

Sutent · February 2017

@HolbornFox had confirmation there is a sewer running underneath the track so unable to dig down.

HolbornFox · February 2017

Bloody Romans coming over here and digging sewers.

Sutent · February 2017

@HolbornFox I didn't think the sewers were that old. I think the ones round here were only built after the great stink in the 1900s.

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