Finsbury Park Station/City North Development

Arkady · June 2014

Hi Stata - is that the Business Design Centre off Upper St?

ProGreen · June 2014

I don't know what the forums is for SG talks but if interested I could ask the developer & registered provider (aka housing association) if they'd be willing to meet & give us an overview.

Mirandola · June 2014

Yes yes yes.

Arkady · June 2014

More yeses!

Arkady · February 2015

<font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal;">Lots of details here about the works happening to Finsbury Park Station in connection with the City North development. Includes nice diagrams.</span></font><div style="font-family: Arial, Verdana; font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; line-height: normal;"><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333330154419px; line-height: normal;">http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/rup-20150212-part-1-item07-finsbury-park-step-free.pdf</span></font><br></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333330154419px; line-height: normal;"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Arial, Verdana"><span style="font-size: 13.3333330154419px; line-height: normal;">Wells Terrace entrance to close at the end of March 2015. Replaced by new Western Ticket Hall opening in... October 2017.</span></font></div>

Arkady · February 2015

They are putting the new gates in next month too. That will slow movement down even more, but presumably will help them manage the crowds. Think I'll start commuting from Harringay...

Sutent · February 2015

@Arkady - whats gates? Do you mean ticket gates?

Arkady · February 2015

Yep

Sutent · February 2015

Where will the gates go in? If Wells terrace closes next month then is there room to put gates in those tunnels

Arkady · February 2015

<div>They are gating the Station Place entrance. I've seen early plans that show the gateline outside the building, sitting under the canopy. I don't know if that has changed.</div><div><br>I've see varying plans showing gates both at the Seven Sisters Road entrance and further inside that tunnel near the T-junction - I don't know which they are going for but I'd guess the former.</div><div><br>Obviously they aren't gating the Wells Terrace entrance or further into that tunnel, as it's all being demolished in a matter of weeks.<br></div>

Sutent · February 2015

Wow thats going to be crazy when Wells terrace exit closes. I assumed they would only gate when the new entrance was built in 2017. I see why you will get the train from Harringey and I will stick to my bike

Arkady · February 2015

One question... WHERE WILL THEY MOVE MR MANGO MAN TO?<div><br></div><div><img src="http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/Redarkady/ce268581-584d-44de-be96-6d42b6e06342.jpg"><img src="http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae221/Redarkady/5391e88e-dd7b-4c04-af3c-33223f3e840e.jpg" style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></div>

Sutent · February 2015

@Arkady. Would mango man be appropriate for Stroud green village lifestyle?

quince · February 2015

Potential for some serious overcrowding at the Station Place entrance, I imagine, when the trains aren't running properly (most likely the Piccadilly, which really needs to be sorted out) and it all backs up from platform level with bus after bus arriving. Joy...

liz_g · February 2015

Eek, that sounds like it's going to be a nightmare... just did a quick search on the tfl website and can't find any info about it. Is it definitely happening??

miss annie · February 2015

Yes, it is. I've asked the staff at the tube about it. they are less than enthusiastic. their prediction is that the station will be closed much more regularly because of overcrowding.

liz_g · February 2015

<p>Thanks... looks like I will be commuting from Harringay more often and keeping my fingers crossed that those trains don't break!</p>

Arkady · February 2015

<div>@liz_g - the presentation that I posted was from the TfL website. Very much official! The dates might change though.</div><div> <br>I think we could do some lobbying on the issue. They managed to keep all the King's Cross entrances open, even when building a massive new basement and concourse, so I'm not entirely sure that it's necessary to close the western entrance for 2.5 years. A period of closure sure, but I wonder whether they could create a protected passageway once the basement works are finished. I'll ask questions.<br></div>

NorthNineteen · February 2015

I've already been on at Islington councillors about this but they are so slow to respond. It does however appear they are now keeping Seven Sisters Road entrance open which will help. I completely agree about some kind of protected passage way.<br><br>Can you imagine the carnage during Wireless and Arsenal games!?<br>

Arkady · February 2015

Nightmare. <div>The Seven Sisters tunnel connects to the T-junction right where they will be knocking it through to the new Western Ticket Hall. I'm guessing that there will therefore be periods where that entrance is also closed.</div>

duffer · February 2015

Second that re nightmare. At least if you use Arsenal there's that weird cage thing for noncombatants on match days. <br>Aargh. Less Stroud Green Village and more Stroud Green Island - no one will be able to get to or from the place!<br><br>

Papa · February 2015

This is a classic piece of British civil engineering that highlights how we completely fail to take into account the cost of disruption to people while closing things for far longer than they need to be.<div><br></div><div>How many hours will be lost to the extra wait generated by needlessly closing the entrance for so long?<br><div><br></div><div>I do not for one minute buy the fact that they actually need to close the Wells Terrace entrance that serves the whole of the area above the station, including all the people coming in from Crouch End, Muswell Hill etc, for two-and-a-half years to do this.</div><div><br></div><div>They should be working to keep an entrance on that side open for as long as possible - and then just close it for a final push to get things sorted.</div><div><br></div><div>There will be colossal queues, endless station closures, and a general nightmare for the passengers.</div><div><br></div><div>I thank my lucky stars that I cycle to work, but on the odd morning I have to use the Tube it's clear how bad it already is - and that's with all the entrances open.</div><div><br></div><div>It's a shame Islington doesn't concern itself a bit more with this than with cooking up half-baked plans for a diesel tax etc.</div></div>

Arkady · February 2015

Yeah. I understand why it needs to be closed during the basement works - they have to remove the tunnel to do that. But once they are up to ground level, and have built the concrete box for the new entrance, why can't they run a tunnel in hoardings out to Wells Terrace while they finish the project? That's what they did at King's Cross. (I know, because I used to go all the time to peak through the hoardings. Because I'm THAT cool.)<br><br>I have a feeling that this is making it a little too easy for the developers.

NorthNineteen · February 2015

I'm sure it's another boundary ambivalence... if all the residents in Crouch End, Muswell Hill, SG east etc. were in Islington they would care more. <br>

ADGS · February 2015

'<span style="color: rgb(85, 85, 85); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 18.1818180084229px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I have a feeling that this is making it a little too easy for the developers.' - well, that is the be-all and end-all these days, isn't it? Like the lost trees en route to the soon-to-be-lost entrance. Don't hold them to any promises or they might start whining about 'affordability' based on numbers they won't let anyone see. </span>

TescoPigeon · February 2015

We should put these questions to them at this consultation event a week on sat'day

liz_g · February 2015

Thanks Arkady. Do you have any suggestions for the best people to contact about seeing if they can close that entrance for less time? Someone at tfl? Or the SG councillors?

Donna · February 2015

I totally agree we should ask for hoardings or whatever as Arkady says.<div>I'm going to email the Islington Gazette this thread.</div>

Arkady · February 2015

I'm going to do a bit more research - I need to dig out the original planning application and see how long the basement works are supposed to take. Then I might create a petition along with a standard letter that we can sue to rally some interest from press and politicans.

Papa · February 2015

'Making life too easy for developers'<div><br></div><div>That puts the finger on the exact problem I was referring to with British civil engineering. Whether it is property developers, utility firms or public projects, we seem to let the private companies that do all this work take as long as they want to do so and cause as much disruption as they like to people.</div><div><br></div><div>Ultimately, the reason they do that is because it costs them less money and they can make more profit and distribute more dividends to their shareholders.</div><div><br></div><div>The amount of road closures I see around London when on my bike where you never see anybody doing any work is shocking.</div><div><br></div><div>Same with endless stretches of coned off motorway with 50mph limits imposed.</div><div><br></div><div>And station works and digging up the road for utilities, the list goes on.</div><div><br></div><div>One of the things you notice when travelling in continental Europe - even if the nations painted as inefficient by the UK - is that generally if something is closed off, there are some people doing some work, often round the clock.</div>

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