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Sutent

I have always liked walthamstow. I used to love the journey there as I loved looking at the lee valley reservoir. My only bad memory was when I was 7, me and my mate were dragged there to have a back street circumcusion on wood street. It cost £30 and the man was watching the 1300 news while doing it. I was so sore for a week I had to wear my mc hammer trousers. I got £5 from the neighbour as a reward. I invested it all on my panini sticker book and 1p cola bottles. My poor mate had to go back for a redo. I don't he got charged.

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Mirandola

Sutent, Do you live in a Philip Roth novel?

Sutent

Yes misscara. This is common practice for boys born into Muslim and Jewish houses. I am not sure why my mum waited until I was six. Usually done as a baby. Unfortunately it is legal in the UK to mutilate your child for religous reasons without consent.

Sutent

Thats really sad misscara. I hope you can find some way of staying

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andy

I think that's the first time 'back street circumcision' has been used on this site<div><br></div><div>Though it's probably not the first time on the internet.</div>

Peter Crumb

If it takes 20 minutes to walk to a field you are not in a village! I'm from a large village and it takes 2/3 minutes! I've only ever heard finny p on here.

Sutent

Misscara I am ok about the event and am happy to openly speak about it and I do laugh about it too. I guess i am lucky. I hope I havent grossed anyone out. I cant help but think of it when I think of Walthamstow. Some people as I am sure you know have lifelong damage from such a traumatic event. My mate ended up being sectioned when he was older but that may be due to things he used to put in his Rizla.<div>I have always found it strange how religious rules seem to trump state law. In any other walk of life what happened to me was clear abuse and is irreversible. Its the same with women or gay people becoming religious leaders. Hopefully things will change</div>

kreuzkav

@ Sutent.  I agree, Britain would arrest a native witch who carried out the same procedure but is afraid to outlaw it when a multi-national religion does it.  <div><br></div><div>I agree with Misscara that London sucks economically for people who come here for a different life.  It's good for people in IT, financial services.. However, I didn't come here for financial gain and always knew it would be hard to make ends meet in the big smoke.  Saying that as I get older I'm fed up of a hand to mouth existence despite having a job that requires certain skills.  I have thought of moving out lately but I was born here and it's in my blood . I still enjoy living here.</div>

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kreuzkav

I agree with you Misscara.  London prices are going crazy.  Did you see the 'Inside London' documentary about all the flats being bought by Chinese investors? Property porn programmes depress me too. Usually some moneyed middle class couple can only afford a mortgage<span style="font-size: 10pt;"> if they've inherited a few hundred thousand grand.  </span><div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>

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Papa

@Misscara You have perfectly summed up the corrosive effects of 17 years of reckless house price inflation here:<br><br>'Every time I move in London my standard of living gets worse for more money.'<br><br>You have my sympathy. <br>

NorthNineteen

I personally feel the huge rate of increase in the cost of living (rent/property prices) in recent years will start reducing.  This rise came about through supply (houses in London) and demand (people living or wanting to live in London).<br><br>Clearly the supply of new houses has been very low espeically outside of London.<br><br>But the demand has increased massively through:<br><br>- more UK residents moving to London has that has had the most opportunity of any location in the UK especially for 20s/30s year old (for various reasons people in this age bracket are more urban than any previous generation)<br>- more international residents moving to London has it has been one of the most successful global cities with substantial opportunitiy for lower income works, attractive to refugees with large pockets of different nationalities and attractive to the super rich due to our legal system and world city status<br>- less London residents moving out of London as job security has been lower so people have been less willing to take change, also limited new builds in the home counties has restricted that movement plus those who did own property have often rented out rather than selling due to the buoyant rental market/hope that prices will continue to rise<br><br>All of this has contributed to an unprecendented rise in population (demand) in London.  According to demographers in the GLA they don't expect this rise in population in continue at the same rate - both because less people will be moving to the UK but many people will now have the confidence (in the economy/job market) to leave London.  In addition, because the economy is picking up, we are seeing increased housing construction and I think we'll also see greater restrictions on BTL, foreign ownership etc. which will hopefully result in more affordable living.<br>

Sutent

Northnineteen what do you do? You always have fascinating facts to hand and not just about train and transport,. <div><br></div><div>There was a very interesting guardian article this morning discussing investment in london - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/10/public-money-private-wealth-london-north-v-south</div>;

miss annie

I guess you are referring to me @Misscara as those are precisely the circumstances I that I have described living in, as well you know. The difference between us is that I will always look on the bright side and expect that something will come up - pay rise, new opportunity, nice flat. It generally does. Call it being naive, burying my head in the sand, or looking at the world through rose tinted glasses if you want but there you are. I'm too old to change my spots now. Living in London is what you make of it, I have seen most of the in demand theatre shows and pretty much every exhibition I've wanted to go to as I've been given tickets or private views by work or friends. We don't go to the cinema because I will be arrested for murdering people who talk through films. I don't mind making do, life is ups and downs. I've had well paid jobs and jobs that don't pay so well. I am happier now, on a frankly rubbish salary, than I was when I was paid a lot. We have just started talking about moving, although not anywhere in this country. My plan is to have a little wooden self build house on wheels and travel the States or Canada doing sewing, repairs or making while Detritus does mobile handyman stuff. He scoffs...we shall see!

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miss annie

No it was really a flippant comment.

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JoeV

@Misscara - I get that some don't care for London, or big cities in general, but does life outside of London really equate to a life of good and plenty? What good is halving your rent if your salary if halved as well? Isn't that just the same crappy struggle to live without the fun?<div><br></div><div>A better life elsewhere will only be better if you have money. It all depends if you can keep a London salary and that's a big if for some people (but not all).</div><div><br></div><div>I've had discussions with friends who scoffed at me when I say I'd rather be 'poor' in New York than any other place. Yeah the rents are obscene, but there's so much free stuff going on - street life, concerts, films, parks, museums, sports, theatre and most importantly you don't need to maintain a car to get around, which is very, very expensive like other parts of the US. I feel the same way about London.</div><div><br></div><div>When my partner and I visit Germany, our family and friends have very nice lives living in very nice flats or houses at what seems the fraction of the price of what we pay in London. We often question why we stay here, until it occurs to both of us that no matter how cheap the flat is, it's only cheap if you have a job to pay for it. We seriously doubt we'd be able to find enough work and we'd end up making do all over again. </div><div><br></div><div> </div>

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miss annie

As you are from there it would be easier to move back, for those of us raised in cities it is not so easy to get to grips with small town rural life. What is a modest nurses salary, £30k?

JoeV

I get it, really, you seem more concrete in your plans than most people I know who abstractly dream of a better a life elsewhere. You want what you want and you don't have to justify.<div><br></div><div>Some friends and acquaintances who have traded in the 'rat race' (god I hate that term) for the supposed good life have done quite well. But they made good money in the city and continue to make good money (and I mean good) in the country. Their lives seems better off, even to me.</div><div><br></div><div>For the people I know who traded in city life but made average to below average salaries, well, most of them have not fared so well. They are really struggling financially or so bored out of their minds and isolated that the move seems hardly worth it.</div>

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Sutent

Misscara don't listen to anyone here. You can only do what makes you happy.

JoeV

I'm staying out of that fight. All I can say, leaving the question of hostility aside, is that maybe it comes down to one person's idea of fruitless existence being another's cornucopia. Maybe describing someone's choice of home as a 'pit of poverty' is a bit provocative?

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